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Free agency

For me the AFL is trying to equalize with draft picks dependant upon contracts, its a long term approach as kids take time to develop..

Reality is there are very few coachs who feels completely safe, they cant afford to lose their experienced stars and get kids in as they may be well gone by the time the talented junior develops...

Its a tough one but i agree with Dimma, similiar structure to i think NFL where top (4) teams cant participate..
 
They've been saying for a while that FA hasn't turned out at all the way the AFL wanted or hoped it would. While I agree that it appears to be against the concept of equalisation I did have to smile when I saw Roos whinging about it. If he'd been at Sydney reaping the benefits he would have loved the concept, but because he took the AFL's $'s to coach Melbourne then FA is a bad thing. Hypocrite.
 
CarnTheTiges said:
They've been saying for a while that FA hasn't turned out at all the way the AFL wanted or hoped it would. While I agree that it appears to be against the concept of equalisation I did have to smile when I saw Roos whinging about it. If he'd been at Sydney reaping the benefits he would have loved the concept, but because he took the AFL's $'s to coach Melbourne then FA is a bad thing. Hypocrite.
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Exactly my thoughts CTT. Funny man that Poosy. Let's see how he handles Prince Henrietta next season as he'd probably start whinging about getting rid of that demonic emblem he has to keep carrying....
 
CarnTheTiges said:
They've been saying for a while that FA hasn't turned out at all the way the AFL wanted or hoped it would. While I agree that it appears to be against the concept of equalisation I did have to smile when I saw Roos whinging about it. If he'd been at Sydney reaping the benefits he would have loved the concept, but because he took the AFL's $'s to coach Melbourne then FA is a bad thing. Hypocrite.
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Yes, doesn't seem to worry too much about free agency for coaches!
 
Tigertough1974 said:
For me the AFL is trying to equalize with draft picks dependant upon contracts, its a long term approach as kids take time to develop..

Reality is there are very few coachs who feels completely safe, they cant afford to lose their experienced stars and get kids in as they may be well gone by the time the talented junior develops...

Its a tough one but i agree with Dimma, similiar structure to i think NFL where top (4) teams cant participate..
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Roos idea sounds fine but in practice doesn't work. Take Buddy's case just ops for PSD where he asks for the deal worked out with the Swans (loser gets no compensation) - no one would match the 9 year contract offer so he goes where he wants to go anyway. Personally don't have a problem with free Agency as it gives the players some say in their future. While the clubs have their say long time players ie Sewell are quickly discarded once past their use by date. If it gets to the NRL situation becomes a bigger problem for coaches as often (except the top clubs) don't know who will be on the roster next year. From memory contracts can be signed after 1 July so a coach has a top player playing who he knows won't be there next year. Coaches have a dilemma as do they drop the State of Origin gun to find a replacement or do they stick. The coach knows that if they start losing he will get the chop so the problem compounds. I suspect in the future you will see the top line players moving (if they wish) to another club while they still have some currency for the club before their last year. See the Moneyball book where the trading periods don't appear to exist for much of the season where Billy beane has turned getting big name players for part of the final season of their contracts into an art form with the losing club gets draft high compensation. The speculated Adelaide off loading Dangerfield this season while the club has bargaining power may well become the norm. I think the trend towards longer contracts for stars ie 5 years will turn into off loading at the end of year 4. Once it gets to say the Ryder situation the losing club has little room to move, Bummers will eventually have to take the Port offer if Port play hard ball just as the Bullies did with Crameri last year.
 
The AFL better pay close attention to 3rd party payments to players. There is more pressure than ever to make players happy with non-salary cap factors.
 
23.21.159 said:
It will hasten the death of a few lowly e Melbourne clubs (Melbourne, Dogs, St Kilda, maybe North?), which is probably what the AFL wanted.
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The others can go but you need a club in the AFL called Melbourne.
Maybe the Melbourne Bombers?
 
Frawley to Hawkers adding another A grader to their already fortress defence. I suppose that will please the lot on this site who did not want him at Punt Road as they say he is a spud. I think it is about time the AFL did an in depth investigation into players salaries. It looks as though some must be feeding their lot chook food so wonder where the hot chocolates come from.
 
Tigaman said:
Frawley to Hawkers adding another A grader to their already fortress defence. I suppose that will please the lot on this site who did not want him at Punt Road as they say he is a spud. I think it is about time the AFL did an in depth investigation into players salaries. It looks as though some must be feeding their lot chook food so wonder where the hot chocolates come from.
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A grader is a stretch.
 
Decent player in a crap team, agree with Gaddy Lyon is right in that he is a liability with ball in hand..then again he would have gone well at RFC in that we need another whipping boy to rip to shreds...can't have enough of those can we..
 
se7en said:
He use to be good. But dropped right off.
Risky pick up.
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Specially on the money he wanted. Hawthorn have a good track record with players like him. He'll be in for a bit of a culture shock, though.
 
I agree that the free trade of guns looking to play finals naturally seems to favour top sides.
Hawthorn gets Frawley who fits easily in their salary cap, and keeps draft picks and current players, clearly making Hawthorn stronger immediately,
and Melbourne weaker, at least in the short term.

Maybe the solution is that Hawthorn actually has to give up AFL approved pick(s), swap players or a combination of both.
>Frawley still gets to choose his new club (which is what the players fought for).
>Melbourne gets the option of draft picks and or players, say Hallihan, Woodward and maybe a first round draft pick (depending on what they need).
>Hawthorn are stronger for getting Frawley, but loses depth/draft picks, effecting them in the long term (equalisation).
>All other teams do not go down the draft order because of a compensation pick.

The devil is in the detail, but it is something to consider.
 
TigerMad said:
I agree that the free trade of guns looking to play finals naturally seems to favour top sides.
Hawthorn gets Frawley who fits easily in their salary cap, and keeps draft picks and current players, clearly making Hawthorn stronger immediately,
and Melbourne weaker, at least in the short term.

Maybe the solution is that Hawthorn actually has to give up AFL approved pick(s), swap players or a combination of both.
>Frawley still gets to choose his new club (which is what the players fought for).
>Melbourne gets the option of draft picks and or players, say Hallihan, Woodward and maybe a first round draft pick (depending on what they need).
>Hawthorn are stronger for getting Frawley, but loses depth/draft picks, effecting them in the long term (equalisation).
>All other teams do not go down the draft order because of a compensation pick.

The devil is in the detail, but it is something to consider.
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The worst thing about free agency is that other clubs not involved are disadvantaged due to their draft picks being affected by compensation.

This, in turn, can affect trade deals to a minor degree.
 
How the F :fire is Frawley worth compo pick 3 talk about the AFL yet again rewarding the Dees
Whats next the AFL awards a free pass for them into the 8 to play finals in 2015 ? Pathetic
 
btoz_01 said:
How the F :fire is Frawley worth compo pick 3 talk about the AFL yet again rewarding the Dees
Whats next the AFL awards a free pass for them into the 8 to play finals in 2015 ? Pathetic
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geelong didnt even get that for ablett wtf.
 
Biggest con job, the dees knew what they were getting all along.
Is this why the didn't get their priority pick, you betcha.
The AFL are crooked, just like the EFC..
 
tigers80 said:
Biggest con job, the dees knew what they were getting all along.
Is this why the didn't get their priority pick, you betcha.
The AFL are crooked, just like the EFC..
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Yep, they were wary of a backlash from all the clubs if they granted a PP.
This way they could justify it.
How and why does the afl ever have a bucket they can pull draft picks from at the expense of other clubs?
The first round should be uncompromised from compo picks.
If they receive a compo pick they should at least forfeit their next pick. ie receive end of 1st round compo pick (19 or 20 etc) they lose their 1st 2nd round pick.
Then if they bid a pick for FS that compo pick is eligible as their next available.
Bloody draft is getting more *smile* every year.
 
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