It's a bad sign when people lose their rights especially when those rights were fought for and won at much personal costs and sacrifice. So which specific rights and freedoms of men and boys are being eroded by feminism?
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This is the answer. Education of young men. And young women. Its all about respect.
Good post. Although the proliferation of social media and freedoms (access to internet, less parental supervision) for young people before they have really developed the ability to manage themselves makes it a serious challenge.
Men are discriminated against in the workplace by the action of quotas.
They are discriminated against by the family court in granting access to their children. They thus lose their parenting rights.
They are demonised in the mainstream media as perpetrators of domestic and sexual violence against women. Masculine characteristics are derided as ‘toxic’. Sexism is practiced without penalty against men as an allegedly ‘privileged’ class. Now this has not yet led to any diminution of freedoms and rights, but wait a few years! Feminists have already floated the idea of a curfew so women can walk the streets safely.
Most serious to my mind is the poor performance of boys in education. It’s a massive issue that receives virtually no coverage in the media. It has the potential to turn men into second class citizens in future if not addressed.
There is also the massive over-representation of men in the suicide and car accident statistics as well as the prison population.
Maybe, very very occasionally a man misses out on a job or promotion due to a quota, women constantly miss out because of their gender.
without any direct experience, i do think you are right with family court, and other issues regarding children.
men are not demonised in the 'mainstream media", and "masculine characteristics" are not derided as toxic. masturbating on a colleagues desk is. I would love to see your evidence.
i must say I havent seen the stats, but i wonder if failing education levels in boys comes from them thinking they need to meet some gender stereotype, where hard work is not encouraged. similarly with car accidents, and prison stats. boys and men are told not to be wimps- to take risks etc.
I will leave conjecture on suicide to those who research the subject.
Not sure how many lesbians in there but the placards suggest they're angry. A few Lorena Bobbitt wannabes too, no doubt.
You can't be sexist against men in a patriarchal society, similarly you can't be sexist against women in a matriarchal society (if such a thing existed). Sexism, racism etc is all about power, those with the power can use their status to discriminate, those without power cannot. It's like saying that in aparthied South Africa that blacks could be racist against whites - it simply has no impact when a group considered to be, and treated as, inferiors can have any impact by claiming superiority - they don't have the power to exercise discrimination.
On a sad note, prominent Egyptian Muslim Feminist Nawal El-Saadawi died today. She will be missed although she lived a long and productive life. If you have never heard of her you can read the Wikipedia page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nawal_El_Saadawi
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On a sad note, prominent Egyptian Muslim Feminist Nawal El-Saadawi died today. She will be missed although she lived a long and productive life. If you have never heard of her you can read the Wikipedia page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nawal_El_Saadawi
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You are presuming we are a patriarchal society. If that was ever the case it certainly no longer is. Just as South Africa is no longer dominated by whites. Legalised discrimination/sexism against men is every where and I don’t see why you can’t call it out the way feminists do.
If you cannot see that we live in a society which benefits men then I really can't help you.
On the one hand you talk about women doing better in education, apparently benefiting from quotas in workplaces, men are demonised etc etc.
Yet we know that men still hold the overwhelming majority of positions of power in business and government, women still have the majority of low paid jobs, there is still a gender wage gap, it is clearly still not safe for women in way too many places.
How is it not patriarchy when men clearly hold most of the power?
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On the one hand you talk about women doing better in education, apparently benefiting from quotas in workplaces, men are demonised etc etc.
Yet we know that men still hold the overwhelming majority of positions of power in business and government, women still have the majority of low paid jobs, there is still a gender wage gap, it is clearly still not safe for women in way too many places.
How is it not patriarchy when men clearly hold most of the power?
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this would have to be one of the sillier posts on PRE, at least recently.
No I don't see things the way you do. To me equality of opportunity is a fair and equitable way to run a society. Selection on merit. This has been achieved, women have been in the highest office in the land and hold many positions of power. If one can achieve this surely any can.
Some men hold power, most don't. I think that there are many issues where many men are not doing well and these need to be addressed in the same way and with the same seriousness that we take women's issues.
This is a weaponised definition of racism/sexism. Basically it says racism/sexism is OK so long as you use it in the pursuit of power. Well thats a two-edged sword if ever I heard of one. Whats sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
I see things differently. I think racism and sexism (ie discrimination on the basis of sex or race - not your definition) are both wrong regardless of the context.
I don't see a grand conspiracy of men subjugating women. I see women making choices based on what they want in life. Women can make it to the top that has been proven.
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Who knows how often men miss promotion on the basis of gender. It is after all legal to do this. Probably happens all the time. On the other hand for a woman to miss promotion on the basis of gender is illegal. See the difference?
You must read and listen to a different mainstream media media to the one I do. To me the term 'Toxic masculinity' seems to go beyond bad behavior to trying to demonise a whole gender. When a woman dies by domestic violence or murder or whatever the person responsible is responsible not men collectively. I'm not talking about schoolboy style bad behavior but tbh I would not be surprised if the bad behavior we are currently witnessing is a reaction against the media narrative. After all David S assures us sexism is about power.
Whatever the reason (and I think you have made a fair point about gender stereotyping being a factor) there needs to be action taken and programs put in place just as there would be with any other major issue in society. But can you imagine it happening? Why would that be?
Interesting point on quotas in this article coming from a Morrison Govt minister who was anti quotas:
www.news.com.au
‘Had a gutful’: Minister calls for big change
Prime Minister Scott Morrison says he is open to gender quotas after a cabinet minister declared she’s had an “absolute gutful” of sexist behaviour and urged the Coalition to consider the move.
www.news.com.au
what % of jobs are given to women because of quotas? you seem to suggest the numbers are high. as fair as i am aware employers need to seek clearance from the equal opportunity board to do this.
and are you really suggesting men dont get better opportunities often because it is illegal?
there is a fair chance that is true.
can you share any examples where the male gender as a whole is being demonised by the media?
is this what you man by schoolboy style bad behavior, and are you blaming the media for this?:
Viral petition reveals more than 500 allegations of sexual assault in Australian private schools
Petition includes allegations from girls who were as young as 13 at time of alleged assaults
