The goal umpire didn’t make a decision. The ARC was the only one that made a decision.
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Elimination Final Game Day Thread v Lions
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It's not fitness management, it's age. Prestia, Grimes, Martin, Lynch. Many other teams with hammy injuries to older players. Ed Curnow, Josh Kennedy, Fyfe, Cameron, Zorko, Daniel Rich, Phil Davis, Wingard, Yeo, Andrew Philips, Taberner, Aaron Hall, Shuey, Melkshem, Polec, Hartlett, James Frawley.
Hamstring is the most common AFL injury so not saying younger players don't get hammies but all the above are over 29yo. That's just an unbelievable percentage of older players.
Yes he did. He clearly says I believe it's a goal. ARCs job is to override if there's clear proof otherwise it's umpires decision.
Nah. If he made a decision he would have put two fingers out and waved his flags. Instead he said he “thinks” it’s a goal but can we check it. Once you do that you hand the decision over to ARC.
There was no overturning of any decision by the goal umpire …only a decision by ARC.
I suspect if the goal umpire had more conviction and had actually made a decision then ARC as part of its review of every score would have just rubber stamped it being so uncertain. But that’s not how it worked out.
Joe the Goose's final goal should've been checked too. Looked a bit like it dribbled through touched.
Lol, watch the replay 2:02 to go. Goal ump says he believes it's a goal. Field umpire repeats it, he believes it's a goal. As I said I'd like the AFL to tell us which vision they used as conclusive proof. If it was one of the ones they showed on TV then they may as well move the goal umpires to the centre circle and let them adjudicate from there.
How can you be making a decision when you say you “think” it’s a goal and then ask somebody else to check it ? Surely you get that ? Cmon.
When the goal umpire asks for a review he cedes all decision making control over to ARC. He only says he “thinks” it’s a goal (or a behind as the case may be) so that if ARC says it’s vision is inconclusive they can refer back to the umpires call. And it’s at that point it all went wrong last night ie ARC should have said it was inconclusive, referred back to the goal umpire, but didn’t.
But otherwise the goal umpire didn’t actually make a decision and nothing was overturned. It was simply a f up at ARC level.
I hope the grand final has some absolute howlers and controversial decisions, just to *smile* the AFL hierarchy and their spin doctors
The game actually needs that to happen - just not with us in it coz you know we’ll be the ones who’ll be disadvantaged.
I'm not arguing the ARC makes the final call once the umpire asks for a review. That's obvious. What I am saying is show us which footage conclusively proves the umpire's decision was wrong. That's the rule, whatever decision is claimed by the umpire has to be proven wrong to overrule otherwise it goes back to tbe umpire's decision. If the AFL are going to come out immediately and say the ARC decision was correct, show us, be transparent for a change. I'm sure many of us would accept the decision if they would show the proof. They haven't because the reality is, unless there was a camera pointing directly upwards on the goal line, you can't conclusively prove for a ball that rises over the top of the goalpost. The ARC system doesn't cater for that scenario.
It is what it is, we're Tiger supporters, we're used to being reamed by the umpires. This was definitely something new. I love tbe creativity.
No problem with your assessment. Lynch should have put it over the goal umpires head.
That’s a different issue - footage, proof of conconclusiveness etc. I agree. The AFL should come out and back up it’s claims that the ARC got it right.
But you - and just about everyone else to be fair to you - keep saying the goal umpires decision was overruled like the goal umpire had some high level of conviction when in fact he didn’t make a decision and had enough uncertainty to refer it to ARC.
And then ARC f it up by not applying the same level of uncertainty. Some doofus in the bunker makes another bs call instead of just declaring it inconclusive as well.
It’s been going on all year.
You've forgotten, we also had Vlastuin (28), Graham (24), Noah Balta (22). I thought McIntosh had one early in the year, but can't find the report.
Interesting game, I was at the hospital for the whole game as my partner fell over at work, did a very impressive dislocated finger and a later x-ray revealed a hairline fracture of her radius. I did suggest she just go down to the Western Oval and a physio there could have popped the finger back in place and she'd be back on the ground. Probably a good idea she chose the Western Hospital instead given the broken arm. So, I only watched the whole game this afternoon.
Yes, we fumbled a lot, but it was a high pressure final, both teams were fumbly. When Gibcus slipped leading to a Brisbane goal it wasn't good, but experience will help in that situation, in any case he lost his footing which makes it hard.
Yes, we leaked too many goals . . . so did Brisbane. We were leaking goals mainly because Brisbane were able to get unpressured and quality clearances. Clearances are a far far bigger issue than our defence. In fact, our defence did a good job a lot of the time given how quick it was going in both directions.
The young players had a tough night, but the experience will be invaluable. Plus, a fair number of them need some pre-seasons to build up size.
Nank was not great, but, given the way their mids, mainly Neale, were running through to get the ball at the centre bounce and ours weren't, it was hard to work out where he should have been tapping the ball. We need some quality in the centre, can't just rely on Prestia, need more quality. Losing clearances is far more of an issue in the current game, and we were never this bad at losing clearances when we were winning flags.
Umpiring was it's usual woeful mess. That decision to over-rule Lynch's goal was atrocious. The goal umpire, you know, the guy standing right next to the goal post looking up, said he thought it was a goal. On the basis of rubbish footage they over turned the decision. Absolute joke. The Baker play on call and 50 were a joke. The amount of holding, pushing etc paid inconsistently was just what we expect, they only pay some of the free kicks which is ridiculous. Holding the ball remains a complete lottery.
Lot of work for Richmond to get back up to the top 4 and genuine contenders. Let's face it, everything would have had to go right for us to get near the GF, we have been too inconsistent this year. We are trying to replace the premiership heroes as they age and retire but that is no easy feat. Not doing badly really, some very good young players who are gaining experience, add some quality via trades and we can get back.
Brisbane were good last night, much better than they played late in the season. I don't think Brisbane are genuinely good enough to contend, and I can see Melbourne really taking Brisbane apart next week, but they are a good side.
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Yes, we fumbled a lot, but it was a high pressure final, both teams were fumbly. When Gibcus slipped leading to a Brisbane goal it wasn't good, but experience will help in that situation, in any case he lost his footing which makes it hard.
Yes, we leaked too many goals . . . so did Brisbane. We were leaking goals mainly because Brisbane were able to get unpressured and quality clearances. Clearances are a far far bigger issue than our defence. In fact, our defence did a good job a lot of the time given how quick it was going in both directions.
The young players had a tough night, but the experience will be invaluable. Plus, a fair number of them need some pre-seasons to build up size.
Nank was not great, but, given the way their mids, mainly Neale, were running through to get the ball at the centre bounce and ours weren't, it was hard to work out where he should have been tapping the ball. We need some quality in the centre, can't just rely on Prestia, need more quality. Losing clearances is far more of an issue in the current game, and we were never this bad at losing clearances when we were winning flags.
Umpiring was it's usual woeful mess. That decision to over-rule Lynch's goal was atrocious. The goal umpire, you know, the guy standing right next to the goal post looking up, said he thought it was a goal. On the basis of rubbish footage they over turned the decision. Absolute joke. The Baker play on call and 50 were a joke. The amount of holding, pushing etc paid inconsistently was just what we expect, they only pay some of the free kicks which is ridiculous. Holding the ball remains a complete lottery.
Lot of work for Richmond to get back up to the top 4 and genuine contenders. Let's face it, everything would have had to go right for us to get near the GF, we have been too inconsistent this year. We are trying to replace the premiership heroes as they age and retire but that is no easy feat. Not doing badly really, some very good young players who are gaining experience, add some quality via trades and we can get back.
Brisbane were good last night, much better than they played late in the season. I don't think Brisbane are genuinely good enough to contend, and I can see Melbourne really taking Brisbane apart next week, but they are a good side.
DS
People are saying look at Lynch’s reaction. Have a look at the vision on ch7 tonight from the crowd. Better view from forward pocket….and have a look at the Tiger supporters cheering and clapping.if you watch that vision frame by frame you see the ball disappears behind the goal post not in front and obviously it is over the goal line because the ball is behind the post. The ARC has gone against the afl directive by overruling goal u,pure on insufficient proof. Complete Mickey Mouse organisation and I will not be renewing my afl membership next year. I think I might be done. And I am still fuming.
I just focused on 29yo±. Quite a number of 28yos. Percentage-wise it's a huge number. KMac played 21 of 22 games. Missed rnd1 due to calf soreness.
