Dustin Martin | PUNT ROAD END | Richmond Tigers Forum
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Dustin Martin

tigerlove said:
Why gross incompetence? It's not currently mandatory.

The August date is a latest possible date that the school council has to ratify their policy but almost all schools would have their policy ratified already. A 5 second check on the school's website shows their policy.

The schools don't call the clubs looking for clinics. Every club is given a region to cover by the AFL and they call the schools (and junior clubs) letting them know when they are coming. The AFL as part of their Auskick parent survey check on whether the clubs have done this so it must be mandatory. Someone in the club would be responsible to coordinating this and they should be all over the education department's Child Safe Standards. The AFL themselves already insist on this at junior footy as of Round 1. Can't even cook a sausage at a bbq without one. If they have that requirement in place and have managed to communicate it to all junior clubs, I'd put money on it being in an email somewhere communicated to the AFL clubs.
 
tigersnake said:
In the first few rounds he got a few frees for in the fwd line one-on-one for not much. They were there and due to his opponent panicking, I was shocked and thought the worm has turned and the umps were buying into the hype.

Huh? First few rounds? He received 1 free in each of the first four rounds. So you saying he didn't deserve his one free for the match? I've seen many more he's deserved than he hasn't. He's had 7 frees in 7 games. Looking around at other players with similar disposal counts (all midfielders) you have Selwood 22, Neale 15, Jones 12, Dalhaus 11, Dangerfield 11, Pendlebury 10, Sloane 9, Beams 8. Only Jack Steven has had the same. Sunday's game was diabolical, 3 frees against, 0 for. I have no doubt he's been targeted by umpires due to his don't argue and their decisions sometimes seem to be bias based on this extra focus. We know umpires do target players as was slipped out in the GWS game with Toby Greene.
 
Total Tiger said:
The August date is a latest possible date that the school council has to ratify their policy but almost all schools would have their policy ratified already. A 5 second check on the school's website shows their policy.

The schools don't call the clubs looking for clinics. Every club is given a region to cover by the AFL and they call the schools (and junior clubs) letting them know when they are coming. The AFL as part of their Auskick parent survey check on whether the clubs have done this so it must be mandatory. Someone in the club would be responsible to coordinating this and they should be all over the education department's Child Safe Standards. The AFL themselves already insist on this at junior footy as of Round 1. Can't even cook a sausage at a bbq without one. If they have that requirement in place and have managed to communicate it to all junior clubs, I'd put money on it being in an email somewhere communicated to the AFL clubs.

But you said gross incompetence by the club. That's pretty harsh.

As for doing a 5 second check on the school's website to show their policy here's what has been posted on the Syndal South's Primary School's website the day AFTER the players were prevented from visiting:

The school has updated policies that directly relate to the Child Safe Standards, which were to be fully implemented by January 1st 2017. Apoligies that the policies were not immediately available or if you experienced issues with opening the previously uploaded version. The issues with the website have now been rectified and you can now access the policies via this link Child Safe Standards Policies


Pity the school can't spell either (Apoligies). Maybe the incompetence was the school? As has been said the mandatory requirement across the board isn't being implemented until August 1st. Dusty makes many school visits, it obviously hasn't been an issue before so why would you check? The school should have made it clear to the club and made it accessible via the website. The only losers out of this were the children.
 
Exactly Tigerlove, but I know from first hand that anytime you have interaction with children you do need to have a valid Working With Children Check.

An oversight by both parties possibly?

People a sportsperson maybe they are at times lenient but it can be strictly applied!

Kids would have been disappointed by this no doubt. I use to love when Kevin Sheedy and other RFC players visited our school growing up as I lived in the then Tigers zone.
 
waiting said:
Exactly Tigerlove, but I know from first hand that anytime you have interaction with children you do need to have a valid Working With Children Check.

Generally speaking yes you do, in many situations no, but in the past and until August 1st for footy players attending schools, no. So sure maybe an oversight due to changing conditions but hardly gross incompetence as a poster suggested. I wonder how many AFL players would fail to get a Working With Children certificate? The only issue imo would be prior drug-related offences.
 
True, but that's hush hush, 3 strikes unless you are a Ben Cousins.

Understand your point but I didn't know it was compulsory from Aug 1, until you mentioned it. I just thought it was a requirement some years ago especially when you are interacting with kids.

I was obviously wrong.
 
tigerlove said:
Lenient in what way? I can't say I've seen them too lenient on Dusty.

He often has the ball for a long time whilst being tackled before he has to dispose of it.

I think it's because the ups, like us, are fairly certain he's going to break the tackle eventually.
 
to me i dont think its leniency to dusty. there is definitely more time allowed for all players in tackles.
its just inconsistent as always
 
Latest rumour from a friend from Sydney is the swans on a 5 year $6 million deal. The lure of not being well known in Sydney is the hook according to my friend.

Direct swap for Heeney and Parker was my response. Chuck in Allir as steak knives

Any clubs not being mentioned as after Dusty?
 
Sintiger said:
Latest rumour from a friend from Sydney is the swans on a 5 year $6 million deal. The lure of not being well known in Sydney is the hook according to my friend.

Direct swap for Heeney and Parker was my response. Chuck in Allir as steak knives

Any clubs not being mentioned as after Dusty?

No club needs to trade for Dusty do they? I thought he could just walk to whoever offers him lifestyle/money ?
 
Sintiger said:
Latest rumour from a friend from Sydney is the swans on a 5 year $6 million deal. The lure of not being well known in Sydney is the hook according to my friend.

Direct swap for Heeney and Parker was my response. Chuck in Allir as steak knives

Any clubs not being mentioned as after Dusty?

NT Thunder, he'd be really anonymous up there. Not sure of the remuneration.
We'll probably get all the Motlops, Relton Roberts and Troy Taylor
 
Sintiger said:
Latest rumour from a friend from Sydney is the swans on a 5 year $6 million deal. The lure of not being well known in Sydney is the hook according to my friend.

Direct swap for Heeney and Parker was my response. Chuck in Allir as steak knives

Any clubs not being mentioned as after Dusty?
Yeah, so far that's : Essendon, North, St kilda and Sydney?
 
ThePercies said:
No club needs to trade for Dusty do they? I thought he could just walk to whoever offers him lifestyle/money ?

Not that easy
He's a Resticted FA.
Another club can make an offer, we have the right to match (or not, ie Vickery/Dangerfield). Depends on the indicated afl compensation
He can then either stay with us or enter the draft
 
Martin needs to play a ripper of a game today to help get the Tigers over the line ... and to keep pushing up his market value.
 
willo said:
Depends on the indicated afl compensation
Hawks compo for Buddy was a first round pick after their original first round selection, wound up being pick nineteen while Smelbourne got a first round pick for Frawdley which happened to be about pick three. No way Frawdley is worth more than half the compensation of a Flanklin. Ladder finish kills any possibility of viable compo for losing an RFA. Best we get for Dusty is a first round pick after our regulation first round pick via ladder position.
 
willo said:
Not that easy
He's a Resticted FA.
Another club can make an offer, we have the right to match (or not, ie Vickery/Dangerfield). Depends on the indicated afl compensation
He can then either stay with us or enter the draft
Yep/ we just match and we wait for a trade
 
The club should be talking with the AFL now to see what compo we would get if he went to one of the AFL clubs - imagine the windfall potentially from GWS.