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Deledio's Contract (Merged)

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Ok here is the thing that worries me. People say that he should get so and so amount of money because he is the best player at the club and because we have lots of room in our salary cap. The question is objectively does he deserve it based on his performances? Is simply being the best of a bad lot justification for that kind of money? It just makes me uneasy bearing in mind his inconsistencies (let's face it as number one draft picks go he has not been a world beater), and the amount of criticism that they attract, that he should be on that kind of money merely on that basis and because he might be threatening to leave.

Richmond has become legendary for overpayment rewarding underperformance. That's part of an era with the appointment of Hardwick that we want to leave behind. But to do that it needs to apply across the list not just in relation to the bottom end. I'm all in favour of giving him fair compensation in relation to objective performance criterias (league standards not Richmond) but not simply as part of the ongoing Richmond gravy train and that with the arguably the worst list in the league we don't have anyone better. Ultimately if he is that hung up about money then I'd be happy to grab draft picks to replace him. If we could get both Butcher and a quality midfielder we'd be silly not to seriously consider it.
 
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Baloo said:
If McMahon is on 300k then 500k for Lids is a bargain.

exactly.

$500 k is a reasonable figure i think.

he won our b and f last year,also made the all-australian top 40.

not as good a year this year but still in our best(not hard i know).
and has been killing them lately since rawlings gave him a rocket.

plus as others have said we have to pay the minimum salary cap price,so we have to pay good money to someone.
deledio is the most worthy of getting the biggest pay.

thejinx said:
I've been a big critic of Deledio and he's unwillingness to gut run off the ball, but even with that weakness, he's one of the best players at the club, and is only 21.

I'd pay him $500k over 3 years with performance bonuses on top. If he wants more than $500k, let him earn it.
agree.
i think a hard bastard like hardwick will get the best out of lids.
wallace was to easy on him,to matey with him.

rawlings was a bit harder and he has been killing them since then,his contested possession numbers and tackles have increased a lot since jade gave him a rocket.
 
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mopsy fraser said:
exactly.

$500 k is a reasonable figure i think.

he won our b and f last year,also made the all-australian top 40.

not as good a year this year but still in our best(not hard i know).
and has been killing them lately since rawlings gave him a rocket.

plus as others have said we have to pay the minimum salary cap price,so we have to pay good money to someone.
deledio is the most worthy of getting the biggest pay.

Thats ok for this contract negotiation - but Lids hasn't hit his top form.

we overpay now - we have to overpay next time, because he will expect it and if playing even better - well by rights should get more.

Not saying it will happen, but trying to keep lids next time could be hard and we may have lost him by overpaying him this time.

hes way to young to be overpayed.
 
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No way the club will let him go....be a ridiculous move. Id rather pay this guy the big bucks, than waste it on some of our other battlers.
 
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ROLLS ROYCE said:
Yep, we do not have any players that scream class other than Lids and Cotch, the direct result of two wooden spoons. We cannot afford to lose either.

p.s. what do we have to show from the draft for the other 26 years of failure?

sweet FA.
 
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itsintheblood said:
My worry is I can see another brad ottens scenario. He goes to someone like carlton or bulldogs and plays in a premiership cause sure as hell at the moment he won't see finals for at least 3 years with us.
vey optimistic there mate,
 
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hmm simple solution is say pay him as a base 500k 550k but put some performance based clauses there where he has the ability to make another 100k on top.

make no mistake hes a very very good footballer and will only get better. god knows what he would be like at geelong.

imo and this is if i was in deledios shoes i would want to see the the plans for the next 3 yrs. i would want to be sure im going to play some finals footy and have a realistic crack at a flag in 5 yrs time. personally i cant see it. we want to hope deledio is deluded or cant ee either.
 
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U2Tigers said:
Thats ok for this contract negotiation - but Lids hasn't hit his top form.

we overpay now - we have to overpay next time, because he will expect it and if playing even better - well by rights should get more.

Not saying it will happen, but trying to keep lids next time could be hard and we may have lost him by overpaying him this time.

hes way to young to be overpayed.

If Lids does take another step up on-field, he would be considered elite and in the top echelon of players in the League - he's not far off that now. He'd therefore be worth $600/$700k per year.

Having said that, if he's considering leaving for more money, let him go. If he really wants to play, and delivers, he'll be rewarded appropriately.
 
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Freezer said:
If Lids does take another step up on-field, he would be considered elite and in the top echelon of players in the League - he's not far off that now. He'd therefore be worth $600/$700k per year.

Having said that, if he's considering leaving for more money, let him go. If he really wants to play, and delivers, he'll be rewarded appropriately.
i dont think money the issue. the issue is weather he sees himself playing finals at richmond. lets face it doesnt matter where he goes richmond ess carlton geelong he will be well remunerated.

the way i see it deledio will be waiting until at least 28 before an opportunity to play in a gf arises if at all. if he sees it that way he may wll ask to go. after all we play footy for one reason only.
 
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Freezer said:
If Lids does take another step up on-field, he would be considered elite and in the top echelon of players in the League - he's not far off that now. He'd therefore be worth $600/$700k per year.

Having said that, if he's considering leaving for more money, let him go. If he really wants to play, and delivers, he'll be rewarded appropriately.
so we pay him that now - he still improves heaps - we then have to pay him what $800k-1m next contract.


hes not in the age bracket yet where we should be paying $ 500k and above. if we do we'll be in trouble later.

Thats why our list cutting will come back to hurt us heaps/ or a reason we will be forced to keep players like Brown, Simmonds, for one more year - longer than we may want to.

I would hate to be a list manager thats for sure - more complicated than most of us could imagine.
 
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I think all parties will have a fair idea what market value for Lids is and surely and agreement can be reached between honorable men.
 
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se7en said:
Wouldn't pay him more then $300,000 per season. Lazy soft player, anything he has done was win the rising star and it has been all down hill since.
2 first round picks would do that trick. Let him be lazy another club :wave

I don't comprehend this statement sev? His a lazy soft player, yet you want 2 first round picks for him? ???

Who would give up 2 first rounders for a lazy soft player? unless you're freo :hihi
 
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Just wondering those who are saying that we have to pay him to get to the minimum salary cap payments couldn't we get there by removing Richo from the veterans list to achieve the same.
 
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This bloke is pure class. He may be a prima donna but I couldn't care less when he breaks the lines and runs it up the guts. If we lose him it will be a major loss. He may need to toughen up but that can be worked on, skill and damn raw talent can't.
 
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zgod said:
This bloke is pure class. He may be a prima donna but I couldn't care less when he breaks the lines and runs it up the guts. If we lose him it will be a major loss. He may need to toughen up but that can be worked on, skill and damn raw talent can't.

my underline is broken. Thats what you get trying to be fancy
 
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Melbourne supporter here and sometime poster to this forum.

Interested in this thread and in my opinion Richmond should do what they have to do to keep deledio at the club. However from my point of view I would like my club to all they could to get hold of him. I am not talking about offering picks 1&2 or even either of those for him. What I would expect the club to do throw a sizable figure at him and get him thinking. get him a bit unsettled.

He is out of contract and if we could drive a wedge between him and the club then we are in the position to make a trade offer on our terms or get him to nominate for the PSD.

I am presenting this from the perspective of an outsider looking in. might get a few of you looking outside the box.

$2m over three years with some incentive payments available in the last season of the the contract. never know, might get a nibble at that from him.

Something like this would at least stir the pot a little.
 
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Always interesting to see things from an opposition supporter's perspective CHF.