Damien Hardwick

[mrposhman]

Some of our kicking has been horrendous, particularly in the back half, some of this is pure skill error, poor kicks under no pressure, but some of it is definitely due to our overuse of the handball in the 1st 5 rounds. The biggest problem it creates is the next rung in the handball chain is usually under more pressure than the previous one. When used right (and we used the handball very well through the premiership years) it opens up space, but we are actually closing space by using too much, which then leads to either been tackled, caught HTB or rushing our kicks. Marking the ball, provides more time to pick the right pace and execute and we aren't giving ourselves enough time to do that.

Personally I don't think we are a million miles away, We are marking the ball inside 50 more than out opposition, we have sorted out stoppage clearances (we've been negative on this for a while, we have a positive differential this year) but we have fallen away with centre clearances (which weren't that bad last year) which is due to mix, and our kick to handball ratio is way out of whack, which is what a lot of us have noticed. I firmly believe this is the biggest issue we need to fix. Fix the centre clearances (mix it up more, get Shai, Dusty and Marlion in there more, and fix the kick to handball ratio. This is impacting on our scores per inside 50 ratio (39.1& ranked 17th), last year we were ranked 3rd at 45.6%. We haven't suddenly forgotten how to use the ball, and the thing I see is us putting ourselves under pressure. The amount of times on Friday we handballed to a player that was immediately under pressure, means we are taking the wrong options and not looking for the right option.

 

[craig]

We play that handover footy this week the Deez are gonna kick 30 rebound goals.

No real tall forwards they will put their 3rd tall back on JR8 and May and Lever will take 50 intercept marks between em when we bomb it in all night.

 

[mrposhman]

I was thinking about our ball use inside 50 as well (and I really think its an impact of our overuse of handball), and would love to see a scores per inside 50 (score involvements doesn't really capture it), I'm sure CD will keep this, but us plebs don't get access to it. I've taken a look at GA's per inside 50, and whilst it shows a slight drop off (we were 16% last year, 14% this year) it probably doesn't really show what we need as essentially it would be great to see where we have retained the footy from an inside 50 (ie. it was a good one that wasn't turned over).

 

[waiting]

Some of our kicking has been horrendous, particularly in the back half, some of this is pure skill error, poor kicks under no pressure, but some of it is definitely due to our overuse of the handball in the 1st 5 rounds. The biggest problem it creates is the next rung in the handball chain is usually under more pressure than the previous one. When used right (and we used the handball very well through the premiership years) it opens up space, but we are actually closing space by using too much, which then leads to either been tackled, caught HTB or rushing our kicks. Marking the ball, provides more time to pick the right pace and execute and we aren't giving ourselves enough time to do that.

Personally I don't think we are a million miles away, We are marking the ball inside 50 more than out opposition, we have sorted out stoppage clearances (we've been negative on this for a while, we have a positive differential this year) but we have fallen away with centre clearances (which weren't that bad last year) which is due to mix, and our kick to handball ratio is way out of whack, which is what a lot of us have noticed. I firmly believe this is the biggest issue we need to fix. Fix the centre clearances (mix it up more, get Shai, Dusty and Marlion in there more, and fix the kick to handball ratio. This is impacting on our scores per inside 50 ratio (39.1& ranked 17th), last year we were ranked 3rd at 45.6%. We haven't suddenly forgotten how to use the ball, and the thing I see is us putting ourselves under pressure. The amount of times on Friday we handballed to a player that was immediately under pressure, means we are taking the wrong options and not looking for the right option.

Exactly Posh!

Dusty ,Shai & Marlion need to be rotated through the midfield , with more minutes than being stuck in the forward line.

We understand why that is with the recruitment of the two GWS boys, but they swap with the above mentioned players which gives us real class, a point of difference and toughness with skill/speed thrown in ,than currently displayed.

Taranto has either been listening to Cornes ‘bagging him’ as the game against the Swans his handball to kick ratio was out of whack or he is void of all confidence.

Things can be fixed.

That extra handball has been our biggest issue as has our connection I50.

Maybe Posh you are onto something with ‘the assistant coaches angle.

Teague & Rutten are both ex coaches whose teams were kaka. So what messages are these two been given to their respective ‘lines’?

Too many wanting to be the ‘chief’ ?

Yes we have injuries but so do other teams.

Maybe ‘our kids’ are not ready to be thrown to the wolves, but we have no choice in that matter.

Lastly , fix our issue with ‘discipline’.

It reeks of ‘arrogance’.

We are better than that!

 

[Sintiger]

Yes equal last.

Can’t remember which other team with Melb, who have won 14 quarters out of 20.

Could get quite ugly against Melb if Dimma is going to trot out the game plan , so far this year.

We are dishing out unwatchable football with horrendous skills by hand & foot.

Make matters worse.

There is hardly no intensity or passion by most of the players.

We will find out much more by seasons end because the knives are getting sharpened by many in the media who are revelling in our demise, thus far, 5 rounds in.

The interesting thing is that despite all our issues over the last 2 seasons we have only twice not been in front in the 2nd half since the start of 2022. Both of those happened in the last 3 weeks and even then we got within a few points of Collingwood and within a goal of the swans.
We have played like garbage a lot but been in every game.
We are a very strange football team
As has been said we have only won 7 quarters, however in the quarters we won we kicked 32 goals to 13 .
We are capable of very good football, as good as any.
The problem is we produce the bad more than the good and also that we are very inconsistent during games.
The schizophrenic Tigers
Wish I had an answer

 

[TigerMasochist]

the Loved Ones ...now you are talking

Gerry Humphries , one of the great Aussie rock voices of all time

Threw that one in there thinking I'd get a few who the *smile* were they responses. One album that contained a cover or two as was the go back then and a few absolute early rock classics. Humphreys in full vocal unleash was bloody awesome.

 

[DavidSSS]

I'm not sure it is so much the kick to handball ratio, I think it is more the decision making. The kicks seem to be blast kicks under pressure forward without lowering the eyes, and, as many have pointed out, the handballs are to players under more pressure than the player dishing out the handball.

I've said it a couple of times, but I can't detect a gameplan at the moment. Either the gameplan sucks or it isn't being implemented well.

When on song we find space everywhere, the rest of the time we seem to be very clogged up.

Maybe they need some fresh eyes to look at what is being tried and why it isn't working, some extra help.

DS

 

[waiting]

I'm not sure it is so much the kick to handball ratio, I think it is more the decision making. The kicks seem to be blast kicks under pressure forward without lowering the eyes, and, as many have pointed out, the handballs are to players under more pressure than the player dishing out the handball.

I've said it a couple of times, but I can't detect a gameplan at the moment. Either the gameplan sucks or it isn't being implemented well.

When on song we find space everywhere, the rest of the time we seem to be very clogged up.

Maybe they need some fresh eyes to look at what is being tried and why it isn't working, some extra help.

DS

That’s it DS!

This…

“I've said it a couple of times, but I can't detect a gameplan at the moment. Either the gameplan sucks or it isn't being implemented well.”

 

[CarnTheTiges]

Some of our kicking has been horrendous, particularly in the back half, some of this is pure skill error, poor kicks under no pressure, but some of it is definitely due to our overuse of the handball in the 1st 5 rounds. The biggest problem it creates is the next rung in the handball chain is usually under more pressure than the previous one. When used right (and we used the handball very well through the premiership years) it opens up space, but we are actually closing space by using too much, which then leads to either been tackled, caught HTB or rushing our kicks. Marking the ball, provides more time to pick the right pace and execute and we aren't giving ourselves enough time to do that.

Personally I don't think we are a million miles away, We are marking the ball inside 50 more than out opposition, we have sorted out stoppage clearances (we've been negative on this for a while, we have a positive differential this year) but we have fallen away with centre clearances (which weren't that bad last year) which is due to mix, and our kick to handball ratio is way out of whack, which is what a lot of us have noticed. I firmly believe this is the biggest issue we need to fix. Fix the centre clearances (mix it up more, get Shai, Dusty and Marlion in there more, and fix the kick to handball ratio. This is impacting on our scores per inside 50 ratio (39.1& ranked 17th), last year we were ranked 3rd at 45.6%. We haven't suddenly forgotten how to use the ball, and the thing I see is us putting ourselves under pressure. The amount of times on Friday we handballed to a player that was immediately under pressure, means we are taking the wrong options and not looking for the right option.

I wonder if the overuse of handball is because they have no confidence in their ability to kick it.

 

[RoarEmotion]

Saw DH interviewed about Marlion Pickett on FC (stopped outside his car) and say his energy played some part in his players' behavior (and also that Marlion needed to get better)

He doubled down on Marlion needs to be on the edge to play his best footy. I guess you need to be on edge but just direct it at players when they have the ball / in a marking contest / in a tackle etc.

Anyway the fact he said his emotional state transferred to the players is what others here have been saying - and if he thinks it is an issue - he can do something about it.

 

[T-Shirt Tommy]

Saw DH interviewed about Marlion Pickett on FC (stopped outside his car)

Footy Classified door stopped Dimma? And the reason was Marlions behaviour against the Swans? Ok, not ideal but all he did was push a player while he was on the ground. And this is making news?

FFS, you'd think Dimma was a dodgy tradie on A Current Affair. Classy from Channel 9 as usual.

 

[Merveille]

Footy Classified door stopped Dimma? And the reason was Marlions behaviour against the Swans? Ok, not ideal but all he did was push a player while he was on the ground. And this is making news?

FFS, you'd think Dimma was a dodgy tradie on A Current Affair. Classy from Channel 9 as usual.

It was cheeky push, the two had probably been having banter - yes it happens in the footy field -
and Blakey was p1ssing himself laughing -
then again he always looks like that does the Lizard

 

[RoarEmotion]

Footy Classified door stopped Dimma? And the reason was Marlions behaviour against the Swans? Ok, not ideal but all he did was push a player while he was on the ground. And this is making news?

FFS, you'd think Dimma was a dodgy tradie on A Current Affair. Classy from Channel 9 as usual.

For me its about 50m penalties but yes they have a narrative they run with. We have seen how the Selwood one gets framed. You could almost call them out as racist and see how that plays out.

 

[mrposhman]

For me its about 50m penalties but yes they have a narrative they run with. We have seen how the Selwood one gets framed. You could almost call them out as racist and see how that plays out.

Marlion didn't give a 50 away for that though.

He went back at Blakey as it was a soft effort from Blakey and he looked to be trying to milk a free kick.

So they doorstopped Dimma for Marlion pushing Blakey on the ground, did they also doorstop Longmire about Gulden pushing Shai when he was on the ground (when Shai then retaliated and it cost us a 50m penalty). Or is it only 1 way??? Actually I already know the answer.

 

[Redford]

Marlion didn't give a 50 away for that though.

He went back at Blakey as it was a soft effort from Blakey and he looked to be trying to milk a free kick.

So they doorstopped Dimma for Marlion pushing Blakey on the ground, did they also doorstop Longmire about Gulden pushing Shai when he was on the ground (when Shai then retaliated and it cost us a 50m penalty). Or is it only 1 way??? Actually I already know the answer.

They door stopped him about the club’s season in general. Marlion was just a small part of that. And there was a couple of media outlets as well, not just 9

 

[WildStyle]

Wait... what did Marlion do wrong? That push? That happens every game.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Some sinister media stuff going on atm.

 

[T-Shirt Tommy]

They door stopped him about the club’s season in general. Marlion was just a small part of that. And there was a couple of media outlets as well, not just 9

Jeezus we're what, 5 rounds in?

Doesn't take long for the vultures to start circling.

 

[waiting]

Marlion didn't give a 50 away for that though.

He went back at Blakey as it was a soft effort from Blakey and he looked to be trying to milk a free kick.

So they doorstopped Dimma for Marlion pushing Blakey on the ground, did they also doorstop Longmire about Gulden pushing Shai when he was on the ground (when Shai then retaliated and it cost us a 50m penalty). Or is it only 1 way??? Actually I already know the answer.

One way Posh.

One way towards all things Richmond.

It causes ‘click bait’, ‘irate callers to SEN ‘ and subscription to everything‘Foxtel’ !

 

[RoarEmotion]

Some sinister media stuff going on atm.

Someone with time and skills should make a
Montage of similar incidents between Geelong and Richmond players and how The media frames them. Be a waste of time though because none of them would show it.