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It was a great ball wasn't it.

The Poms are starting to shape up. Panesar is a much better option than Giles (did he ever turn a ball?), they have finally got rid of Geraint Jones and brought in Read who is a far better keeper and has already shown he can bat, Cook's emergence has meant Bell drops down the order where he has made tons in 3 consecutive tests, and Pietersen has continued to improve and is looking more composed.

The question for the Ashes is can S.Jones and/or Flintoff come up because if they can I starts to get hard to find obvious weaknesses. Collingwood maybe and Hoggard might struggle to have the penetration on Aussie pitches. Cook is still a kid and might find an Ashes series beyond him for now.

The word is Jones may be fit and Flintoff is almost a certainty to be fit at some stage, the question is how early in the series and will he overcome the lack of match practice.

From looking a bit ordinary over the northern winter they are now starting to turn it around - their injuries have allowed them to find some good players, and they are now the number 2 ranked team in the world.

The Ashes should be a cracker!
 
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England awarded forfeited fourth Test
Sunday, 20 August 2006 10:51
http://www.rte.ie/sport/2006/0820/england2.html

England's final Test against Pakistan ended in dramatic circumstances tonight with International Cricket Council officials ruling the match should be forfeited in the hosts' favour.

After hours of deliberations on Sunday night, it was agreed the match could no longer continue following the controversial scenes earlier in the day.

A joint statement from the ICC, England and Wales Cricket Board and Pakistan Cricket Board read: 'After lengthy negotiations which resulted in agreement between the teams, the match referee and both the ECB and PCB to resume the fourth Test tomorrow, it was concluded that with regret there will be no play on the fifth day.

'The fourth Test has therefore been forfeited with the match being awarded to England.

'In accordance with the laws of cricket, it was noted that the umpires had correctly deemed that Pakistan had forfeited the match and awarded the Test to England.'

Pakistan had earlier been aggrieved by the award of five penalty runs to England after umpires Darrell Hair and Billy Doctrove believed there had been ball tampering.

So Darell Hair has got himself into mischief again. Mmmm!
Must admit, there have been some occassions when I have wanted to take my team off the field in protest. Never actually done it.
 
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Pakistan are a disgrace & once again they are involeved in turmoil but are trying to offload all the blame on Daryl Hair.They are a pack of cheats & nothing but trouble.
 
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It was my understanding that a test match has 2 umpires standing, why do we keep hearing about only one? ::)
 
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Anduril said:
It was my understanding that a test match has 2 umpires standing, why do we keep hearing about only one? ::)
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Exaclty,both obviously were part of the decision.
 
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The poor ol' Pakistanies - they got caught ball tampering!

This has been going on for years - every test team has done it - stepped on the ball acidentally when fielding just to rough one side up a bit more - amazing how many fast/medium bowlers need hair cream to keep their hair in place - amazing how many first slip or mid-offs have one long thumb nail.

Finally an Umpire has the courage to say - no that is cheating - and all hell cuts lose - well maybe it is cheatiing but there is not a test bowler who hasn't tried his hardest to manipulate the pill to his advantage.

Lets get honest - ball tampering is as common as pitch fixing by the home country.

Thats simply not cricket ol' man - but in truth it is!
 
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Is there clear proof the Pakis tampered with the ball? The TV clip showed Hair pointing out scuff marks on the ball but surely these may not only have been caused by the Pakis.

The Pommy commentators said that all the video footage had been checked out and no incidents had been uncovered. Surely the ball being smashed into the fence or gutter may have caused the same damage?
 
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Hare's approach was overzealous, the Pakistanis response was chaotic, like chooks with their heads cut off. Whole thing got out of hand, as remote said its par for the course. I'd like to have a proper look at the ball. From the telly zooms it didn't look that bad, but who knows. I think Hare loves playing the hard man.
 
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Hayfever said:
Is there clear proof the Pakis tampered with the ball? The TV clip showed Hair pointing out scuff marks on the ball but surely these may not only have been caused by the Pakis.

The Pommy commentators said that all the video footage had been checked out and no incidents had been uncovered. Surely the ball being smashed into the fence or gutter may have caused the same damage?
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Johnathon Agnew who was commentating at the match made the remark that the period of the 6 - 8 overs that the incident took place not a single boundry had been scored.

England coach triggered Oval 'cheating' row
Paceman had been warned by county umpires


By MIKE DICKSON

10:37am 22nd August 2006

The Oval Test fiasco threatens to explode into a dispute between England and Pakistan after it emerged that Ashes-winning coach Duncan Fletcher voiced concerns about ball-tampering before Sunday's play.

Fletcher visited match referee Mike Procter's office soon after arriving at the ground and passed on his suspicions, and those of certain players, that the tourists were interfering with the ball.

England were focusing on pace bowler Mohammad Asif who, Sportsmail can reveal, was warned by umpires about interfering with the ball during a match for his county Leicestershire earlier this season.

Within six hours of Fletcher's visit, umpire Darrell Hair had sparked furore by penalising Pakistan for the same offence.

Inzamam-ul-Haq was yesterday charged with ball-tampering and bringing the game into disrepute, and the Pakistan skipper said: "It would be difficult for the players to play if we are labelled cheats. It doesn't just involve me and the team — it involves the whole country."

Pakistan coach Bob Woolmer warned that the forthcoming one-day series could be in doubt. He said: "I would think the tournament may well be in jeopardy if he is found guilty and banned."

Because no individual player was identified by umpires Hair and Billy Doctrove, Inzamam will face the music as captain. His case will be heard on Friday. If Pakistan's players refuse to play the one-day series, it would cost the ECB a minimum of £10million.

The tourists already consider themselves hard done-by and their reaction to Zimbabwean Fletcher's meeting with fellow southern African Procter, a long-standing acquaintance, could well be incendiary.

Watchful

An England and Wales Cricket Board spokesman admitted that the meeting took place and, while denying a specific charge was involved, he did not rule out the voicing of suspicions about tampering.

"Duncan did have a meeting with the referee, which is not unusual, and there was no complaint about the condition of the ball," said the spokesman.

Yet it is known that by Saturday evening there were discussions about the ball among England players, with some voicing fears it had contributed to their first-innings collapse to 173 all out.

There certainly did not appear to have been any other controversies in the match to have warranted a meeting with Procter and binoculars were unusually abundant on the England balcony during the match.

Fletcher, a forensic watcher of the game, has also shown in the past that he is not afraid to approach referees if he has a grievance. He may have had concerns about Asif, Pakistan's most successful bowler in the match after returning from a long injury lay-off.

According to sources at Lord's, Asif features in a report by officials on the match between Leicestershire and Somerset in late May.

He had not long arrived in the country and, quickly suspected to have been fiddling with the seam early in the match, was given a firm warning through his captain by umpires Peter Willey and Barry Duddleston.

This is said to have put an immediate stop to the problem and no action was taken, but it was enough to ensure that the officials' match report was sent to headquarters.

One of the few people to have known about the incident would have been Leicester coach Tim Boon, who was a highly-valued member of Fletcher's backroom staff until the end of last summer.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/cricket.html?in_article_id=401704&in_page_id=1849&in_a_source=&ct=5
 
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ICC standing by its man
23/08/2006 5:07:00 PM
International Cricket Council chief executive Malcolm Speed says Pakistan will have no right of veto over the appointment of Darrell Hair in future Tests. At the same time Speed was backing the Australian umpire, Hair himself told the Herald-Sun he was standing by his decision and he would fight for his own credibility.

Hair controversially ruled Pakistan had forfeited the fourth Test against England this week after Pakistan refused to take the field following tea in protest to an earlier decision from Hair and Billy Doctrove to penalise the visitors five runs for ball tampering.

Pakistan has made it clear it no longer wanted Hair involved in its future matches, but Speed says there will be no change in the ICC's appointment procedure of officials.

Speed says the appointments will continue to be made without fear or favour, and based on the performances of the umpires in international matches.

Speed also backed the stance taken by fellow Australian Hair and West Indian Doctrove in awarding the match to England.

with AAP RTV

Link

I wonder what will happen if Hair makes another controversial call against them. :hihi
 
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Hey Ready or TGN

Saw on news highlights last night on news of 20/20 match.
Stuart Broad (son of Chris) looked impressive with his height and bounce, is he a chance to tour for the Ashes or the one day series.
Have you a guess what the squad for tests series will be.
 
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Ghost Who Walks said:
Hayfever said:
Is there clear proof the Pakis tampered with the ball? The TV clip showed Hair pointing out scuff marks on the ball but surely these may not only have been caused by the Pakis.

The Pommy commentators said that all the video footage had been checked out and no incidents had been uncovered. Surely the ball being smashed into the fence or gutter may have caused the same damage?
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Johnathon Agnew who was commentating at the match made the remark that the period of the 6 - 8 overs that the incident took place not a single boundry had been scored.

England coach triggered Oval 'cheating' row
Paceman had been warned by county umpires


By MIKE DICKSON

10:37am 22nd August 2006

The Oval Test fiasco threatens to explode into a dispute between England and Pakistan after it emerged that Ashes-winning coach Duncan Fletcher voiced concerns about ball-tampering before Sunday's play.

Fletcher visited match referee Mike Procter's office soon after arriving at the ground and passed on his suspicions, and those of certain players, that the tourists were interfering with the ball.

England were focusing on pace bowler Mohammad Asif who, Sportsmail can reveal, was warned by umpires about interfering with the ball during a match for his county Leicestershire earlier this season.

Within six hours of Fletcher's visit, umpire Darrell Hair had sparked furore by penalising Pakistan for the same offence.

Inzamam-ul-Haq was yesterday charged with ball-tampering and bringing the game into disrepute, and the Pakistan skipper said: "It would be difficult for the players to play if we are labelled cheats. It doesn't just involve me and the team — it involves the whole country."

Pakistan coach Bob Woolmer warned that the forthcoming one-day series could be in doubt. He said: "I would think the tournament may well be in jeopardy if he is found guilty and banned."

Because no individual player was identified by umpires Hair and Billy Doctrove, Inzamam will face the music as captain. His case will be heard on Friday. If Pakistan's players refuse to play the one-day series, it would cost the ECB a minimum of £10million.

The tourists already consider themselves hard done-by and their reaction to Zimbabwean Fletcher's meeting with fellow southern African Procter, a long-standing acquaintance, could well be incendiary.

Watchful

An England and Wales Cricket Board spokesman admitted that the meeting took place and, while denying a specific charge was involved, he did not rule out the voicing of suspicions about tampering.

"Duncan did have a meeting with the referee, which is not unusual, and there was no complaint about the condition of the ball," said the spokesman.

Yet it is known that by Saturday evening there were discussions about the ball among England players, with some voicing fears it had contributed to their first-innings collapse to 173 all out.

There certainly did not appear to have been any other controversies in the match to have warranted a meeting with Procter and binoculars were unusually abundant on the England balcony during the match.

Fletcher, a forensic watcher of the game, has also shown in the past that he is not afraid to approach referees if he has a grievance. He may have had concerns about Asif, Pakistan's most successful bowler in the match after returning from a long injury lay-off.

According to sources at Lord's, Asif features in a report by officials on the match between Leicestershire and Somerset in late May.

He had not long arrived in the country and, quickly suspected to have been fiddling with the seam early in the match, was given a firm warning through his captain by umpires Peter Willey and Barry Duddleston.

This is said to have put an immediate stop to the problem and no action was taken, but it was enough to ensure that the officials' match report was sent to headquarters.

One of the few people to have known about the incident would have been Leicester coach Tim Boon, who was a highly-valued member of Fletcher's backroom staff until the end of last summer.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/cricket.html?in_article_id=401704&in_page_id=1849&in_a_source=&ct=5
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Of course the fact that England was chasing 504 after scoring only 173 in the first innings had absolutely nothing to do with Fletcher's actions. Sorry but I would not trust him as far as I could kick him. The Poms had scored their first 50 after only 65 balls and were 1/78 after 18 overs overnight......... hardly strong evidence the Pakis were ball tampering  :p
 
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Yeah. Seems that the evidence is based on a couple of scuffs and the fact the ball started swinging, like it did in the ashes series last year.
 
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tigersnake said:
Yeah.  Seems that the evidence is based on a couple of scuffs and the fact the ball started swinging, like it did in the ashes series last year. 
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As someone said "when the Poms do it, they call it reverse swing......... when someone else does it, they call it ball-tampering" :eek:
 
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mk33 said:
Hey Ready or TGN

Saw on news highlights last night on news of 20/20 match.
Stuart Broad (son of Chris) looked impressive with his height and bounce, is he a chance to tour for the Ashes or the one day series.
Have you a guess what the squad for tests series will be.
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It's a bit hard, there are still a lot of injury question marks. (Harmison is having some back problems now.)

I think Broad is a certainty - they speak very highly of him and from what I've seen he's just the sort they should take on tour. He gets some steep bounce from a good length given his height and he's pretty quick. I'm not sure how much test cricket he'll play but he is a certainty for the one dayers I think. The Poms are really struggling in the shorter games (lost the 20/20 the other day) and need something different.
 
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Hayfever said:
tigersnake said:
Yeah.  Seems that the evidence is based on a couple of scuffs and the fact the ball started swinging, like it did in the ashes series last year. 
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As someone said "when the Poms do it, they call it reverse swing......... when someone else does it, they call it ball-tampering"  :eek:
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Get over it lads, the aussies were beaten fair and square.
 
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My opinion on Hair gate - is another case of over reaction and the pathetic use of the race card again just like in every other *smile* facet in todays life!!!
 
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Bunnerz85 said:
Hayfever said:
tigersnake said:
Yeah.  Seems that the evidence is based on a couple of scuffs and the fact the ball started swinging, like it did in the ashes series last year. 
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As someone said "when the Poms do it, they call it reverse swing......... when someone else does it, they call it ball-tampering"  :eek:
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Get over it lads, the aussies were beaten fair and square.
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Agree,Aussies only have themselves to blame.iI reckon Poms are a big chance this summer also.
 
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