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[skybeau]

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Anyone see the 20-20 final at the G tonight?

Reasonably entertaining, the first 20-20 game that I've seen (and the first live one too) where the bowlers from both teams were sensational. Vics missed White, I thought, had no-one to swing the bat and got dismissed in some dismal ways. Crossthwaites half-century was well timed and gave the Vics a decent score. But they should've been overhauled.

But by geez did the Tassies bat poorly. The Vics were brilliant in the field (except for Crossthwaite), but 161 should've been got easily. They were cruising mid-innings, but lost some wickets and that was it. Again, no hitters after Bailey.

I was next to about 7 Tassie supporters, about the only 7 in there it seemed and it was very good talking to them as they got progressively drunker and altered between elation after a 6 and depression after a wicket. I'm not fanatical, so they couldn't fight me, so we had some good chats, especially with one bloke. The consensus was that Tassie should've won, but they haven't got any decent batsman.

Drew was sensational especially with his bowling and catching for Tassie, and Harwood and Lewis and even Hodge were great with the ball for the Vics.

Well done Vic Bushrangers, 20-20 champs yet again... :clap :clap :clap

 

[Bill James]

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More MacGill bashing?  :

So we've established Warne is a better bowler than Stuey MacGill hey??
Well I never..he's only like the greatest leg spinner ever! :hihi

In spite of the heavily spiked stats, 31 for the rest of his career is still a very respectable average for a traditional leg spinner.

Have a look at how MacGill's stacks up against Richie Benaud's statistics for a comparison Bill.
Or Bob Holland's, Abdul Qadir or Anil Kumble for that matter!

Talk about wrangling statistics but that's rarely a surprise from BJ.
If you look at at the Sydney statistics as part of your argument, how does that explain McGill's average at the ground is considerably better than Warne's by some margin? They are both leg spinners, surely Warne enjoyed similar benefits of bowling on a spinning pitch? He also likely played in the majority of the same games as MacGill.
As for the Bangladesh argument. MacGill has played 2 more games than Warne against them. 2 games! Hardly enough to reach a conclusive decision on that basis.
You can only bowl out the teams you are selected against and MacGill has usually done well when selected.

As for the feeling that he's a selfish player? Since when was wanting to do well personally a crime in cricket?
It's very much an individual game despite the fact that 'teams' play it.

Why can't people just let it be that MacGill is the next best leggie in Australia who played in the shadow of a legend and let it be?
The fact that you have to resort to comparing him to Warney at all should be a compliment of the highest order.
He would have played plenty more cricket for the green & gold had he not been in Warne's era.
I won't be surprised to see him play more now that the genius he was competing with for a game has retired.
I hope he does.

Strangely enough TOO if you follow the thread I didn't compare him to Warne. Poppa asked if had Warnes numbers and I obliged.

Secondly you say he has played only two more games against Bangladesh than Warne. Given that I wasn't comparing him to Warne I don't really care. What is significant is he has played 10% of his games against the worlds weakest and 20% of his games at a ground where as "as you correctly point out" he was more potent than Warne. I think those factors flatter his stats. Which I think was my original point.

Given that you think I wrangle stats I am suprised that you ask for a comparison with other leggies, Qadir, Kumble, Benaud, and Holland, none of which are currently available for Australian selection so I see even less relevance than a comparison with Warne, anyway here they are. Wrangle them how you will.

	Matches	Balls	R	W	BBI	BBM	AVE	Econ	SR	5	10
MacGill	40	10211	5387	198	8/108	12/107	27.20	3.16	51.50	12	2
Benaud	63	19108	6704	248	7/72	11/105	27.03	2.10	77.00	16	1
Holland	11	2889	1352	34	6/54	10/144	39.76	2.80	84.90	3	2
Kumble	113	35694	15675	547	10/74	14/149	28.65	2.63	65.20	33	8
Qadir	67	17126	7742	236	9/56	13/101	32.80	2.71	72.50	15	5

 

[skiptomystu]

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Yeah I went down to skybeau, was also my first live 20-20 game. Very entertaining but hopefully this concept doesn't overtake the 50 over games or test matches. Harwood bowled brilliantly again.

 

[Tigers of Old]

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Strangely enough TOO if you follow the thread I didn't compare him to Warne. Poppa asked if had Warnes numbers and I obliged.

	Matches	Balls	R	W	BBI	BBM	AVE	Econ	SR	5	10
MacGill	40	10211	5387	198	8/108	12/107	27.20	3.16	51.50	12	2
Benaud	63	19108	6704	248	7/72	11/105	27.03	2.10	77.00	16	1
Holland	11	2889	1352	34	6/54	10/144	39.76	2.80	84.90	3	2
Kumble	113	35694	15675	547	10/74	14/149	28.65	2.63	65.20	33	8
Qadir	67	17126	7742	236	9/56	13/101	32.80	2.71	72.50	15	5

Fair enough re the Warne comparison Billy but you did open up the MacGill criticism.
Thanks for posting the stats.

He's still a fairly handy bowler based on those numbers despite your concerns and with that record has fair claims on being the next best spinner for Australia.

 

[mk33]

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Yeah I went down to skybeau, was also my first live 20-20 game. Very entertaining but hopefully this concept doesn't overtake the 50 over games or test matches. Harwood bowled brilliantly again.

Yeah was there too, was a good contest which was good to see for the summer. Agree with you skip re hope it does not overtake the tests. I think for the amount of games played is correct vat the moment.

 

[Ready]

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I should say that I look forward to the return of one of my favourite cricketers....

Bond, Shane Bond.

Hopefully though he hits his straps against Australia and not England  :-X

Good to see him get his hat-trick yesterday (as well as improve his already phenomenal average against Australia). Well deserved after all his problems in the last few years.

 

[mk33]

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I should say that I look forward to the return of one of my favourite cricketers....

Bond, Shane Bond.

Hopefully though he hits his straps against Australia and not England  :-X

Good to see him get his hat-trick yesterday (as well as improve his already phenomenal average against Australia). Well deserved after all his problems in the last few years.

Bond is a great bowler and has a fantastic record against Australia, almost won a match single hand in the last world cup after terrorisng Aussie batsman I think the summer before

anyway here is the English squad of 30 for the World Cup Ready, any tips on who will be in the final 15 champ.

James Anderson, Ian Bell, Ravi Bopara, Stuart Broad, Glen Chapple, Rikki Clarke, Paul Collingwood, Alastair Cook, Jamie Dalrymple, Andrew Flintoff, Ashley Giles, Matthew Hoggard, Ed Joyce, Amjad Khan, Jon Lewis, Mal Loye, Sajid Mahmood, Paul Nixon, Graham Onions, Monty Panesar, Kevin Pietersen, Liam Plunkett, Matt Prior, Chris Read, Owais Shah, Vikram Solanki, Andrew Strauss, Chris Tremlett, Michael Vaughan, Michael Yardy

 

[mk33]

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Good blend of youth and experience in Bangladesh squad

Habibul Bashar, Shahriar Nafees Ahmed, Khaled Mashud, Mohammad Rafique, Mashrafe bin Mortaza, Javed Omar, Mohammad Ashraful, Aftab Ahmed, Rajin Saleh, Shahadat Hossain, Tushar Imran, Alok Kapali, Tapash Baisya, Abdur Razzak, Manzural Islam Rana, Syed Rasel, Mushfiqur Rahim, Enamul Haque jr, Nazmul Hossain, Farhad Reza, Sakib Al Hasan, Mehrab Hossain jr, Nadif Chowdhury, Nazmus Sadat, Junaed Siddiquee, Mohammad Sharif, Dollar Mahmud, Shahagir Hossain Pavel, Marshal Ayub, Tamim Iqbal Khan.

Sri Lanka squad
Mahela Jayawardena, Marvan Atapattu, Sanath Jayasuriya, Upul Tharanga, Avishka Gunawardena, Mahela Udawatta, Kumar Sangakkara, Tillakaratne Dilshan, Chamara Kapugedera, Malinda Warnapura, Russel Arnold, Prasanna Jayawardena, Chamara Silva, Farveez Maharoof, Chaminda Vaas, Ruchira Perera, Dilhara Fernando, Ishara Amarasinghe, Lasith Malinga, Nuwan Kulasekera, Nuwan Zoysa, Akalanka Ganegama, Dilhara Lokuhettige, Muttiah Muralitharan, Rangana Herath, Malinga Bandara, Kaushal Lokuarachchi, Gayan Wijekoon, Upul Chandana and Dhammika Prasad.

 

[mk33]

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New Zealand squad
Stephen Fleming, Andre Adams, Nathan Astle, Shane Bond, James Franklin, Peter Fulton, Mark Gillespie, Chris Harris, Paul Hitchcock, Gareth Hopkins, Jamie How, James Marshall, Hamish Marshall, Chris Martin, Michael Mason, Kyle Mills, Brendon McCullum, Nathan McCullum, Peter McGlashan, Craig McMillan, Iain O'Brien, Jacob Oram, Mark Orchard, Jeetan Patel, Mathew Sinclair, Scott Styris, Ross Taylor, Daryl Tuffey, Daniel Vettori, Lou Vincent

Pakistan squad
Inzamam-ul-Haq (capt), Younis Khan, Imran Farhat, Mohammad Hafeez, Mohammad Yousuf, Shoaib Malik, Kamran Akmal, Abdul Razzaq, Umar Gul, Shahid Nazir, Danish Kaneria, Yasir Hameed, Shabbir Ahmed, Mohammad Sami, Abdul Rehman, Salman Butt, Faisal Iqbal, Rana Naved-ul-Hasan, Rao Iftikhar, Imran Nazir, Shahid Afridi, Mohammad Khalil, Bazid Khan, Mansoor Amjad, Zulqarnain Haider, Yasir Arafat, Mohammad Asif, Shoaib Akhtar, Misbah-ul-Haq, Hasan Raza

West Indies squad
Brian Lara, Ramnaresh Sarwan, Chris Gayle, Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Dwayne Smith, Omari Banks, Carlton Baugh, Ian Bradshaw, Dwayne Bravo, Patrick Browne, Corey Collymore, Narsingh Deonarine, Travis Dowlin, Fidel Edwards, Rayad Emrit, Ryan Hinds, Wavell Hinds, Sylvester Joseph, Rawl Lewis, Dave Mohammed, Runako Morton, Daren Powell, Keiron Pollard, Denesh Ramdin, Darren Sammy, Marlon Samuels, Lendl Simmons, Devon Smith, Jerome Taylor, Gavin Tonge

Zimbabwe squad
Prosper Utseya, Gary Brent, Chamunorwa Chibhabha, Elton Chigumbura, Tendai Chisoro, Charles Coventry, Graeme Cremer, Keith Dabengwa, Terrence Duffin, Trevor Garwe, Ryan Higgins, Tinashe Hove, Anthony Ireland, Tafadzwa Kamungozi, Friday Kasteni, Blessing Mahwire, Timycen Maruma, Hamilton Masakadza, Stuart Matsikenyeri, Tinotenda Mawoyo, Christopher Mpofu, Tafadzwa Mufambisi, Tawanda Mupariwa, Mluleki Nkala, Edward Rainsford, Piet Rinke, Vusumuzi Sibanda, Gregory Strydom, Brendan Taylor, Sean Williams

India Squad
Rahul Dravid (capt), Virender Sehwag, Sachin Tendulkar, Yuvraj Singh, Mohammad Kaif, Mahendra Singh Dhoni, Harbhajan Singh, Irfan Pathan, Munaf Patel, Sreesanth, Ajit Agarkar, Suresh Raina, Ramesh Powar, Anil Kumble, Rudra Pratap Singh, Dinesh Mongia, VRV Singh, Robin Uthappa, Dinesh Karthik, Sourav Ganguly, Parthiv Patel, Zaheer Khan, VVS Laxman, Gautam Gambhir, Rohit Sharma, S. Badrinath, Ishant Sharma, Rajesh Pawar, Joginder Sharma, Cheteshwar Pujara.

South Africa squad
Loots Bosman, Johan Botha, Mark Boucher, AB de Villiers, Boeta Dippenaar, JP Duminy, Herschelle Gibbs, Andrew Hall, Paul Harris, Jacques Kallis, Justin Kemp, Garnett Kruger, Charl Langeveldt, Albie Morkel, Andre Nel, Makhaya Ntini, Justin Ontong, Alviro Petersen, Robin Peterson, Vernon Philander, Shaun Pollock, Ashwell Prince, Jacques Rudolph, Graeme Smith, Dale Steyn, Roger Telemachus, Alfonso Thomas, Thandi Tshabalala, Johan van der Wath, Morne van Wyk.

 

[Ready]

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anyway here is the English squad of 30 for the World Cup Ready, any tips on who will be in the final 15 champ.

James Anderson, Ian Bell, Ravi Bopara, Stuart Broad, Glen Chapple, Rikki Clarke, Paul Collingwood, Alastair Cook, Jamie Dalrymple, Andrew Flintoff, Ashley Giles, Matthew Hoggard, Ed Joyce, Amjad Khan, Jon Lewis, Mal Loye, Sajid Mahmood, Paul Nixon, Graham Onions, Monty Panesar, Kevin Pietersen, Liam Plunkett, Matt Prior, Chris Read, Owais Shah, Vikram Solanki, Andrew Strauss, Chris Tremlett, Michael Vaughan, Michael Yardy

Vaughan (c), Anderson, Bell, Bopara, Collingwood, Dalrymple/Giles, Flintoff, Joyce, Lewis, Nixon, Panesar, Pietersen, Read, Strauss, Shah is my guess at who they'll take.

Zero confidence however  

 

[mk33]

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Hoggard Ready !!!

Fans of Bermuda cricket here is their squad
Irvine Romaine (capt), Dean Minors (wk), Clay Smith, Stephen Outerbridge, OJ Pitcher, David Hemp, Janeiro Tucker, Lionel Cann, Malachi Jones, Delyone Borden, Saleem Mukuddem, Kevin Hurdle, Dwayne Leverock, Stefan Kelly, Arthur Pitcher Jnr

Ireland squad
Trent Johnston (capt), Andre Botha, Jeremy Bray, Kenny Carroll, Peter Gillespie, Dave Langford-Smith, Kyle Mc Callan, John Mooney, Paul Mooney, Eoin Morgan, Kevin O' Brien, Niall O' Brien, William Porterfield, Boyd Rankin, Andrew White.

Canada squad includes former WI paceman who toured here 92/93 Anderson Cummins
John Davison (capt), Kevin Sandher, Qaiser Ali, George Codrington, Desmond Chumney, Sundeep Jyoti, Don Maxwell, Abdool Samad, Henry Osinde, Austin Codrington, Ashish Bagai, Ashif Mulla, Sunil Dhaniram, Umar Bhatti, Anderson Cummins.


still awaiting the Kenyans, Dutch and the Scottish

 

[Ready]

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I would take him, but I don't think they will as they seem to prefer Anderson. Maybe on second thought Plunkett or Tremlett for Shah but any squad will be thin in every department.

 

[mk33]

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I would take him, but I don't think they will as they seem to prefer Anderson. Maybe on second thought Plunkett or Tremlett for Shah but any squad will be thin in every department.

I know Hoggard not seen as one dayer, but it may swing in the Windies and if Australia are considering Hilfenhaus for same reason, Hoggard would be better than a few others with his experience and ability and would be refreshed.

 

[FightingFury]

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Canada squad includes former WI paceman who toured here 92/93 Anderson Cummins
John Davison (capt), Kevin Sandher, Qaiser Ali, George Codrington, Desmond Chumney, Sundeep Jyoti, Don Maxwell, Abdool Samad, Henry Osinde, Austin Codrington, Ashish Bagai, Ashif Mulla, Sunil Dhaniram, Umar Bhatti, Anderson Cummins.

Also includes Jon Davison as their captain who some of you may remember as a shield cricketer for both the Vics and S.A.
I wonder if I might have made it into the squad had I stayed longer playing for Vancouver CC than only the one year.
If England can fill its side with imports from abroad then I'm sure I could have lowered myself to do it :spin

Come to think of it I would be happy to test myself against the Poms current line up anyhow....

 

[Liverpool]

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went to the first one dayer, crap match a lot of drunks
had to be drunk to enjoy it, so it was fun.

gilchrist got a lucky one when appealing to save a wide off mcgrath to see the umpire give dalrymple out....everyone was shocked

I was at the game too Bunnerz.

I was hoping the Aussies would bat first, so we would see a few 4's and 6's.....but the Poms getting 240-odd was never going to be enough.
The Aussies never were in trouble, and I think that affected the crowd a bit too.....especially later on with the Mexican-Wave going off (especially round the Bay-13/M13 area)....and the bloke running out on the ground.
How to do $6000 in 10 seconds.... :hihi

But a good day/night...and looking forward to the next one (Feb 4th against the Kiwis)

 

[mk33]

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Canada squad includes former WI paceman who toured here 92/93 Anderson Cummins
John Davison (capt), Kevin Sandher, Qaiser Ali, George Codrington, Desmond Chumney, Sundeep Jyoti, Don Maxwell, Abdool Samad, Henry Osinde, Austin Codrington, Ashish Bagai, Ashif Mulla, Sunil Dhaniram, Umar Bhatti, Anderson Cummins.

Also includes Jon Davison as their captain who some of you may remember as a shield cricketer for both the Vics and S.A.
I wonder if I might have made it into the squad had I stayed longer playing for Vancouver CC than only the one year.
If England can fill its side with imports from abroad then I'm sure I could have lowered myself to do it :spin

Come to think of it I would be happy to test myself against the Poms current line up anyhow....

Think you already qualify Struggles.
Davison was born in Canada but only spent first 18mths there reading that somewhere from memory.
Did hit the fastest world cup century against Windies in 2003.

http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/canada/content/player/23852.html

 

[Mr Brightside]

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Who the hell am I suppose to barrack for today,both countries wanna be us,One country is the worst sporting nation per capita ever an the other continues to hang there hat on the fact that they were the day Trev tried a little 3 pin bowling.I suppose they did produce Bob Chares(sorry Sir Bobby) :hihi

 

[mk33]

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Kiwis 7/159
this may be a competive score

 

[Rosy]

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Kiwis have the runs on the board. I reckon they'll win.

 

[Ready]

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PICK THAT ONE OUT! :fing32

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