Coronavirus

[jb03]

NSW are the Bulldogs and Victoria are the Dees. Looks like about the 20 minute mark of the third quarter.


With NSW generally having been more open than us but with higher vaccination rates surely this is more evidence of the vaccinations working.

 

[Harry]

What are the testing numbers - NSW v VIC?

 

[Tigers of Old]

We haven't had any Federal run leadership towards regulating the way lockdowns have been approached from State to State so what are the chances vaccine passport legislation too becomes a dog's breakfast with little consistent planning.

 

[caesar]

Some good news out of the UK - an Oxford university epidimiological study of around 220,000 people has shown that vaccination does reduce infection - ie your chance of getting infected by CV is much lower if you are vaccinated - around 50-60%. This study is not peer reviewed yet (it's a pre-print) but comes from a highly regarded set of researchers. So this likely means that yes, vaccine does reduce both initial infection and therefore transmission in a statistical sense.

Other parts of the study show that immunisation is just as good as natural infection in terms of immunity. So all those banging on about "natural immunity being better" can have a cup of tea and a rethink. Natural infection followed by vaccination did give even stronger immunity than either natural immunity alone or vaccines alone. But again the message is GET VACCINATED YOU MORONS

As in earlier smaller studies, Pfizer gives better protection and immunity early, but immunity declines more rapidly than AZ. Four months after double dosing, they are on a par and thereafter AZ is better. What this means is that if you get Pfizer, you'll likely need a booster earlier than if you got AZ.

Not enough numbers yet on Moderna - all the details on the ABC coronacast.

Are vaccines better at preventing infection than we thought? - ABC listen

Australia's vaccination rate increasing over the weeks has been a thing of beauty to watch, and hopefully soon will help pay out dividends. But along with helping prevent the hospital system from collapsing, vaccines might be better than we thought at helping you avoid catching COVID-19 at all...

www.abc.net.au

That's good news on AZ Angry, I am AZ protected

 

[AngryAnt]

NSW are the Bulldogs and Victoria are the Dees. Looks like about the 20 minute mark of the third quarter.

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With NSW generally having been more open than us but with higher vaccination rates surely this is more evidence of the vaccinations working.

You can maybe just start to see the curve trending downward in Victoria. We'll go past NSW on current daily figures but we may not peak as high as they did. It will not be Biblical.

Of course, will be interesting to see if we get another surge when NSW opens up.

 

[AngryAnt]

That's good news on AZ Angry, I am AZ protected

Likewise 3121 brother.

In the long run probably won't make that much difference as boosters will be commonplace, but it all helps!

 

[AngryAnt]

here's something to cheer us up

 

[Tigers of Old]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1442322148584984579

Golden Gladys was saying today they think they'll get to 92% double vaxed 16+. That's excellent news.

 

[BT Tiger]

NSW testing rates have hovered around 100000 per day for the last week, but we're as high as 300000 a few weeks ago. There was a mandate for people living in hotspot LGAs to have a test every 3 days but I'm not sure if thats still in place. What's odd is their death rates are still a lot higher than Vic, despite both states recording similar numbers in cases recently. Is this just a lag effect and we should expect the death rate to climb in Vic in the next few weeks? Or does NSW have a lot more undetected cases out there?

 

[RoarEmotion]

We haven't had any Federal run leadership towards regulating the way lockdowns have been approached from State to State so what are the chances vaccine passport legislation too becomes a dog's breakfast with little consistent planning.

100%

 

[MB78]

NSW testing rates have hovered around 100000 per day for the last week, but we're as high as 300000 a few weeks ago. There was a mandate for people living in hotspot LGAs to have a test every 3 days but I'm not sure if thats still in place. What's odd is their death rates are still a lot higher than Vic, despite both states recording similar numbers in cases recently. Is this just a lag effect and we should expect the death rate to climb in Vic in the next few weeks? Or does NSW have a lot more undetected cases out there?

I would like to see numbers on the ages. We know in Victoria that young people have caught it in far greater numbers. Perhaps an older average age in NSW?

 

[Sintiger]

Time we get all state MP’s vaccinated so parliament can resume. More accountability this way. Still so many don’t trust the Government’s both Fed and States. And with the below you can’t blame people.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1442247167100416000

It's why Jenny Mikakos is no longer health Minister, or one of the reasons. It was never possible and still isn't possible to have 4000 ICU beds in the state.
She was confused, which was very normal for her, the same with the $1.3 billion investment which was multiple things not just ICU beds.
Apart from anything else we don't need 4000 ICU beds.
The state is gearing up to the plans that were put in place last year for something like a trebling of ICU capacity in the state , 1200-1500 beds. Some of that has already happened.
No idea why Dan tried to defend her because she was wrong

 

[TT33]

here's something to cheer us up

"God made our immune systems perfect" Tell that someone with an auto -immune disease.

 

[Redford]

We haven't had any Federal run leadership towards regulating the way lockdowns have been approached from State to State so what are the chances vaccine passport legislation too becomes a dog's breakfast with little consistent planning.

Not his problem mate !

 

[Al Bundy]

It's why Jenny Mikakos is no longer health Minister, or one of the reasons. It was never possible and still isn't possible to have 4000 ICU beds in the state.
She was confused, which was very normal for her, the same with the $1.3 billion investment which was multiple things not just ICU beds.
Apart from anything else we don't need 4000 ICU beds.
The state is gearing up to the plans that were put in place last year for something like a trebling of ICU capacity in the state , 1200-1500 beds. Some of that has already happened.
No idea why Dan tried to defend her because she was wrong

As reported today on those social media posts.

Video exposes Dan Andrews’ ICU beds promise

Last April, the Andrews government made a welcome announcement, revealing Victoria would benefit from a “massive $1.3 billion injection to quickly establish an extra 4000 ICU beds”.

www.news.com.au

 

[22nd Man]

It's why Jenny Mikakos is no longer health Minister, or one of the reasons. It was never possible and still isn't possible to have 4000 ICU beds in the state.
She was confused, which was very normal for her, the same with the $1.3 billion investment which was multiple things not just ICU beds.
Apart from anything else we don't need 4000 ICU beds.
The state is gearing up to the plans that were put in place last year for something like a trebling of ICU capacity in the state , 1200-1500 beds. Some of that has already happened.
No idea why Dan tried to defend her because she was wrong

The Premiers dept Issued a press release that day saying the $1.3bn would cover equipment, space and Staff.
I don't care if Dan says we don't need them now, or we aren't going down that path now but he can tries to weasel out of it,
You know when Andrews is back peddling when he pulls out his sarcastic patronising phrases like "practicing hospital corners' "not a national plan for picnics"

 

[larabee]

As reported today on those social media posts.

Video exposes Dan Andrews’ ICU beds promise

Last April, the Andrews government made a welcome announcement, revealing Victoria would benefit from a “massive $1.3 billion injection to quickly establish an extra 4000 ICU beds”.

www.news.com.au

no suprise the news.com.au work experience kids don't put their name to their work.

I fact checked the second paragraph which sounded an alarm strait away:
".... with 968 new cases confirmed on the same day the announcement was released."

51 new cases were reported on 1st April 2020, not 968. The total for Victoria at that time was 968. oops

The presser from 1st April 2020 sounds like some speculating and forward forecasting to me. He certainly "doesn't rule out" converting existing space to a massive ICU, but the bit "I’m not confirming that today" doesn't sound like a promise.
At that stage, Victoria, Australia, the world didn't know the impact to health services would be, and that sounds like they were planning on the cautious side.

Every government since the start of this pandemic would have been making plans, announcing what they were planning to do, and readjusting as required.
Obviously, as time has gone on, there hasn't been the need for 4000 ICU beds.

Imagine if Dan had fulfilled this "promise" and had spent $1.3B and there were 4000 ICU beds filling up the Convention Centre and a *smile* load of nurses wandering around with nothing to do? The Murdochians would be having a field day about the waste of money.
I'm happy that resources have been redirected elsewhere to help with the pandemic, like vaccination hubs etc

This is just a bunch of shitty Murdoch "journos" coming up with nothing and trying to pin Dan Andrews with it.


Every time someone posts a link to news.com.au, the Herald Sun, the Australian or any of their toadies, is another reason not to read any of their garbage.

 

[22nd Man]

NSW testing rates have hovered around 100000 per day for the last week, but we're as high as 300000 a few weeks ago. There was a mandate for people living in hotspot LGAs to have a test every 3 days but I'm not sure if thats still in place. What's odd is their death rates are still a lot higher than Vic, despite both states recording similar numbers in cases recently. Is this just a lag effect and we should expect the death rate to climb in Vic in the next few weeks? Or does NSW have a lot more undetected cases out there?

My eyeballing of Vic stats last three weeks is bouncing around 40-60,000
NSW 100-140,000 Chalk and cheese really.

with deaths think its a function of cumulative number of cases in current outbreak
NSW approx 53,000 v Vic 11,000 and ours are on a time lag...
deaths this wave NSW 310 v Vic 25 (taken us 26 days to get to 25 deaths, NSW 25 days)

 

[22nd Man]

no suprise the news.com.au work experience kids don't put their name to their work.

I fact checked the second paragraph which sounded an alarm strait away:
".... with 968 new cases confirmed on the same day the announcement was released."

51 new cases were reported on 1st April 2020, not 968. The total for Victoria at that time was 968. oops

The presser from 1st April 2020 sounds like some speculating and forward forecasting to me. He certainly "doesn't rule out" converting existing space to a massive ICU, but the bit "I’m not confirming that today" doesn't sound like a promise.
At that stage, Victoria, Australia, the world didn't know the impact to health services would be, and that sounds like they were planning on the cautious side.

Every government since the start of this pandemic would have been making plans, announcing what they were planning to do, and readjusting as required.
Obviously, as time has gone on, there hasn't been the need for 4000 ICU beds.

Imagine if Dan had fulfilled this "promise" and had spent $1.3B and there were 4000 ICU beds filling up the Convention Centre and a *smile* load of nurses wandering around with nothing to do? The Murdochians would be having a field day about the waste of money.
I'm happy that resources have been redirected elsewhere to help with the pandemic, like vaccination hubs etc

This is just a bunch of shitty Murdoch "journos" coming up with nothing and trying to pin Dan Andrews with it.


Every time someone posts a link to news.com.au, the Herald Sun, the Australian or any of their toadies, is another reason not to read any of their garbage.

you should go and advise Dan Larabee . If he said what you just wrote it would be a credible explanation than his sarcastic put down. Then again if you suggested he was "wrong" your employment would be over very quickly. One thing that he is consistent about "not confirming" anything.

 

[Sintiger]

The Premiers dept Issued a press release that day saying the $1.3bn would cover equipment, space and Staff.
I don't care if Dan says we don't need them now, or we aren't going down that path now but he can tries to weasel out of it,
You know when Andrews is back peddling when he pulls out his sarcastic patronising phrases like "practicing hospital corners' "not a national plan for picnics"

You can believe what you like but I can tell you as a fact the $1.3 billion was for far more than ICU beds and that there has never been a plan for 4000 ICU beds mainly because it is physically impossible and there is no modelling that says we require them
The $1.3 billion was the allocation made at the time for all COVID costs in public hospitals including ICU but for many other things as well.