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Not true as I understand it. You have it around the wrong way. The government is saying what he says they should say.
How competent he is, that’s another question.

I don't think so, he admitted that Morrison ignored his advice on Italy. He covered up for Morrison shaking hands. He's a puppet.

Just IMO.
 
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Dutch embrace 'herd immunity' as dire death warning prompts UK to change course
Bevan Shields
The Age
March 17, 2020


The Netherlands will embrace a "herd immunity" strategy to combat the coronavirus pandemic, just as Britain backs away from its own plans to manage rather than suppress the disease following warnings of 250,000 deaths.

In remarks that make him the first world leader to publicly back the herd immunity theory, Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said a mass lockdown was not feasible and the country had instead opted for a plan that included "controlled distribution" of COVID-19 "among groups that are least at risk".

Herd immunity is a scenario in which so many people become resistant to a certain disease it becomes much harder for it to spread to the rest of the population.

However mass immunity is typically achieved through vaccinations rather than via exposure and recovery. Experts have warned that allowing coronavirus to sweep through younger and healthier members of the public is a dangerous way of building resistance in the community.

In his speech on Monday, Rutte said his government had ruled out two options: letting the virus spread unchecked, and locking down the country "for a year or even longer".

Instead, the government settled on a third option dubbed "maximum control".

He said "experts are telling us" that the Netherlands can slow the spread of the virus "while at the same time building group immunity in a controlled way".

"Those who have had the virus are usually immune afterwards - just like in the old days with measles," he said. "The larger the group that is immune, the less chance that the virus will jump to vulnerable elderly people and people with poor health. With group immunity you build, as it were, a protective wall around them.

"That is the principle. But we have to realise that it can take months or even longer to build up group immunity and during that time we need to shield people who are at greater risk as much as possible."

The herd immunity concept has caused alarm among epidemiologists and immunologists.

William Hanage, a professor of the evolution and epidemiology of infectious disease at Harvard University, used a blistering opinion piece in The Guardian to warn "nobody should be under the illusion that this is something that can be dodged through somehow manipulating a virus that we are only beginning to understand".

The World Health Organisation has said COVID-19 hasn’t been in the population long enough to understand how it operates and Australian experts have also cast doubt over the idea.

Britain's Chief Scientific Advisor Sir Patrick Vallance last week said achieving herd immunity was "one of the key things we need to do" alongside lowering the caseload peak and spreading out infections over a long period.

Having so far resisted some of the more draconian social distancing measures enacted across Europe, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson on Monday abruptly changed course and unveiled a series of new measures designed to more aggressively suppress the virus.

Hours after that announcement, a team of Imperial College researchers released modelling that found a middle-of-the-road "mitigation" approach - that up until Monday, London time, had been pursued by the UK - would overwhelm hospitals "many times over". The research is significant as the Imperial College team is advising Downing Street on how to respond to the crisis.

Mitigation focuses on slowing but not necessarily stopping epidemic spread, whereas suppression aims to reverse epidemic growth, reduce case numbers to low levels and maintain that situation indefinitely.

The modelling found that tackling the outbreak only through mitigation measures such as case isolation, household quarantine and social distancing for the elderly would exceed "surge limits" for general ward beds and intensive care beds "by at least eight-fold" even under their most optimistic modelling scenario.

"In addition, even if all patients were able to be treated, we predict there would still be in the order of 250,000 deaths in Great Britain, and 1.1 to 1.2 million in the United States.

"We therefore conclude that epidemic suppression is the only viable strategy at the current time."

However the researchers warned the "social and economic effects of the measures which are needed to achieve this policy goal will be profound".

The suppression measures would have to involve, at minimum, social distancing of the entire population, home isolation and quarantine, and potentially school and university closures.

"The major challenge of suppression is that this type of intensive intervention package - or something equivalently effective at reducing transmission - will need to be maintained until a vaccine becomes available (potentially 18 months or more) given that we predict that transmission will quickly rebound if interventions are relaxed," the researchers said.

Johnson is expected to respond to the modelling's release on Tuesday.
 
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Doctor, Lawyer, Begger man, Priest
Poor old Tiger Masochist looks on in disbelief
If you want a taste of madness in Corona virus time
You can see a million of em in the bog roll line.

Ahhhh damn, simply couldn't help myself. Sorry for the hatchet job Tom.




Reckon Shirl ( rip ) n the Hooks would be shocked out of their brains at the rabid hysteria generated by the modern day horror movies.
 
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These (global) lockouts are creating more harm than good. Can't believe how many small businesses are going to lose money. Get ready for more civil wars to start. Just heard the AFL players want 22 games and 100% pay.
 
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These (global) lockouts are creating more harm than good. Can't believe how many small businesses are going to lose money. Get ready for more civil wars to start. Just heard the AFL players want 22 games and 100% pay.
Good on em. Should be more of it.


Shut the world. Shut the world. We're all gunna die, we need to shut the world now. Oh wait, we're all gunna die one day anyway. Might as well go out doin *smile* we enjoy rather than hiding under the bed, quiverin n gibberin.
 
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Good on em. Should be more of it.


Shut the world. Shut the world. We're all gunna die, we need to shut the world now. Oh wait, we're all gunna die one day anyway. Might as well go out doin **** we enjoy rather than hiding under the bed, quiverin n gibberin.
Agree. At least 2009 was a bad time in losing work because the world 'saw' what happened in the US, whereas, all of this is just fear based on stats and something that hasn't happened. We go through these viruses every f*cking year! I still don't know what major difference this corona realistically is to ebola, SARS, MERS, swine, bird etc....

I keep hearing: "You might have the symptoms but not know it and still pass it on"......not sure how this would be the case, but if true, doesn't it happen in every day of our life with hygiene?
 
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Those were contained while the numbers were small. This one is running amok.
Without delving into whatever stats show, nothing proves why it's worse.

All we keep hearing is what we know as basics in life. Wash your hands, don't touch anyone, don't spit, flu-like symptoms.

Clearly too generalised IMO.
 
Without delving into whatever stats show, nothing proves why it's worse.

Because this one's beyond critical mass and will keep going until more or less everyone is infected, and either lives or dies.

Feb 22: 1,000 cases / 15 deaths
Mar 3: 11,324 cases / 179 deaths
Mar 17: 100,806 cases / 3,918 deaths

Give it a month and unless the world does something different, the numbers will be huge.

Apr 17: 1,115,000 deaths (conservative estimate based on current spread)
 
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Even ANZAC Day now. Don't they walk/march in open air on the streets? Do we see a radar of this virus approaching Australia by April 25??

These 'orders' are so ridiculous we might as well not stay/walk outside ever again and become agoraphobic.
 
The Great Shuttering demands nothing short of a war effort
Chris Uhlmann
The Age

March 17, 2020

Australia’s black summer is about to be followed by the bitterest of winters. After fire and flood the fourth horseman of the apocalypse has arrived on his pale horse to unleash pestilence and death.

When the curse of this year finally lifts we will have time to reflect on what was worse, the disease or the cure. And like all great shocks, the tectonic plates of politics will shift in ways we cannot predict.

Because what is being proposed by our committee of medical experts to slow the progress of the coronavirus is akin to an aggressive form of chemotherapy, killing healthy cells in the hunt for sick ones.

The Great Shuttering of 2020 will slow the progress of the disease and it will also crash the economy, despite ever more desperate moves by the Morrison government to save it.

The news that it is contemplating more intervention to protect the nation’s businesses and workers, just days after pledging $17.6 billion dollars to hedge against a recession, is measure of its fear.

There is good reason to be afraid. Hundreds of businesses might close, thousands could lose their jobs as the social distance between us grows and throws up barriers at every hairdresser, restaurant and pub.

This is a once-in-100-year crisis. The last time anything similar happened was in 1919 when the world confronted the Spanish Flu. We are better prepared now because then states closed borders on each other and squabbled among themselves, now we have a unified approach with a national cabinet coordinating the response. We also have a world class public health system, although every sinew of it is about to be stress tested.

But in some ways our economic immune system is weaker than in 1919 because we have outsourced much of our industry and are dependent on international supply chains and just-in-time delivery for everything from building materials to medical and fuel supplies.

The consequences for workers will be profound because our addiction to household debt and the nature of modern work now leaves millions exposed.

The ACTU counts 2 million casual workers and the Small Business Ombudsman says 61 per cent of Australian businesses by number – or 1.3 million people – are sole traders. Most don’t have access to sick leave and have no financial reserves. The only safety net under them is a Newstart-style payment on which the Government has pledged to waive the waiting time.

But no matter how soon it comes most can’t possibly survive on it.

Australian household debt to income is now hovering at just under 200 per cent, making us among the most indebted people on earth. Few can survive even a few weeks without two incomes, yet a fortnight off work as prescribed for those who have contact with the disease is the least they can expect if they become sick.

Those clamouring for the schools to close – against the best advice of our health experts – should pause to consider what happens next. For little or no health gain some household incomes will be cut from two to one. And the government’s modelling shows it won’t be weeks but months before the disease peaks. Schools will most certainly close but rushing ahead of advice will only spread the economic virus.

Australia’s debt house of cards may be about to collapse because if this disease follows the arc of the Spanish Flu then it will come in more than one wave and not be done until the year ends.

On the other side of this pandemic the big risk is that many more people will have been beggared by their debts and defaulted on their mortgage than die from the disease. The task of the government now is to try to put a floor under everything. That is simply not possible, but now is the time to fire every economic gun because nothing short of a war effort is demanded.

The plague comes at a time when our Reserve Bank has exhausted its rate cutting fire power and will now be forced into exotic monetary policy that will be like a march into Afghanistan: easy to get into but with its own set of dire consequences and almost impossible to get out of.

All this would be bad enough if it was just an Australian crisis but it’s not, the whole world is closing down. Within a few short weeks the worry will not be that Australia confronts its first recession in 29 years but that the world confronts a second Great Depression.

Of course, the alternative is unthinkable. Allowing the disease to spike, overwhelming our health system, is not an option. But that’s the point: there are no good options in this battle, only bad ones and worse ones.
 
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Chinese nationals fleeing europe and the rest of the world to get back home to china where it's now safer.