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Only dogs and cats. 30 million of them. Got their priorities right. Humans suck. Save the animals.
Why would you take Suttons view over The QldnChO ? Both seem to be equally qualified.I doubt India have access to enough vaccines for their 1.4 billion population. Maybe they're the world real test of herd immunity? Dunno whats going on there now.
On another note, there was a standing ovation for the scientists credited with developing Astra Zeneca - interesting that the announcer called it the "anti Covid vaccine". The UK were in a terrible position 6 months ago with covid literally everwhere, and they had no choice but to take what was on offer at the time. Now they're approaching 50% total vaccination and appear to be very appreciative of their scientists.
Wimbledon’s standing ovation for COVID vaccine hero puts Australia to shame
The emotional scene shone a harsh light on our failures, including one sour moment at the Australian Open.7news.com.au
And TBH, I'm still very unsure what to do about vaccines myself, I'm under 40 but i don't trust Scott Morrison as far as i can throw him. I do trust Brett Sutton though, so if he comes out and states that under 40's should get the Astra Zeneca then I'll make an appointment. Hence why i was asking @MB78 to show me the quote he referenced yesterday.
Well that’s no good. How will I be able to drive my manual car and still be able to….Your extra arm probably falls off.
That’s not what Atagi who advise the National Cabinet said. To quote the Guardian:
“The states are correct to say the current Atagi advice is that Pfizer (not AstraZeneca) is the preferred vaccine for Australians aged between 16 and 60.
But the advice also creates room for informed consent. It states that AstraZeneca can be used in adults under 60 (when Pfizer is not available) when the benefits “are likely to outweigh the risks for that individual” and the person has “made an informed decision based on an understanding of the risks and benefits”.
The short answer is it probably wouldn't hurt.
The long answer is that immunology is *smile* complicated. It's a complex network of processes, and saying it's probably fine is a bit like saying longer kick ins, 6-6-6 and standing the mark will probably increase scoring.
Which is why in the field of medical science, things go through trials before they're approved for use, but in football, a moron abuses his pen license.
But it's likely that future boosters for covid will be the mRNA (Pfizer type) vaccines, not the AZ type. And there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to get that post AZ.
I don't think it's a good idea to try to 'Catch' em all' though. Any intervention is risk/reward and once you're fully vaccinated, that balance changes.
The advice doesn’t come with the boundary conditions the advice is based on. Im sure if we said we are opening borders and banning lockdowns the advice would be for everyone to get whatever they could (Prioritised). I can’t help but think the advice is based on status quo living with COVID responses For Australia.
I think this article does a reasonable job laying out the issues that need to be addressed.
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I think this article does a reasonable job laying out the issues that need to be addressed.
Our vaccine rollout has been choked by four big bungles — and they still haven't been fixed — ABC News
Australia is now over four months into its COVID vaccine rollout, and it's still not going well. At the six-week mark, I wrote about four ways the vaccine rollout had been bungled: the wrong pace, phasing, model, and messaging. Nearly three months on, sadly none have been fixed, and new symptoms...
Right. So you’re saying I should be able to take a super cocktail of AZ, Pfizer, Novovax and J&J when it’s approved, and not only be able to transmit to Mars but also be able to receive every single sports channel in the world - subscription pay tv based or not.
This is the answer I was looking for.
The Pfizer advice from the AMA is based on the following: 3.1 clotting events per 100K for under 50's, 2.7/100K for 50-60, 1.5/100K for 60-80. Hence ATAGI decreed Pfizer preferred for u60's as that is where they deem the "acceptable" cutoff is, given the decreased frequency of blood clots with AZ after 60. But it's a sliding scale and you could still suffer clotting if you're over 60.The advice doesn’t come with the boundary conditions the advice is based on. Im sure if we said we are opening borders and banning lockdowns the advice would be for everyone to get whatever they could (Prioritised). I can’t help but think the advice is based on status quo living with COVID responses For Australia.
I think this article does a reasonable job laying out the issues that need to be addressed.
Our vaccine rollout has been choked by four big bungles — and they still haven't been fixed — ABC News
Australia is now over four months into its COVID vaccine rollout, and it's still not going well. At the six-week mark, I wrote about four ways the vaccine rollout had been bungled: the wrong pace, phasing, model, and messaging. Nearly three months on, sadly none have been fixed, and new symptoms...
Some more data on AZ from the UK.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...irus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting
The prevailing view here is that if you don't rush out and get jabbed with whatever's available, you're selfish and all the rest. But it's a personal decision, and as has been mentioned there are other factors to take into account (e.g. greater efficacy of Pfizer). If your worry about catching the virus before Pfizer becomes available outweighs your concern about the clotting issues, by all means go out and get the AZ, although if you're under 60 you should probably seek advice from your GP even if it's not legally binding.
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Based on failures by State's actions in their management of HQ they setup.
Very true. We know that Slowmo has to get the vaccine’s moving. But the simple mistakes being made that would be fixed with common sense is outrageous. The young receptionist in Queensland should have not been able to work at the hospital in that role unless vaccinated. Putting overseas and interstate people together in hotel quarantine who would have thought that’s a bad idea.
There needs to be more National Cabinets until they can all get there act together. And there needs to be press releases that are agreed upon so that the hopeless communication is improved.
