Coronavirus

[BT Tiger]

Indonesia in big trouble.

India seems to have gotten in under control in a matter of weeks, guess its the vaccination. who knows.

I doubt India have access to enough vaccines for their 1.4 billion population. Maybe they're the world real test of herd immunity? Dunno whats going on there now.

On another note, there was a standing ovation for the scientists credited with developing Astra Zeneca - interesting that the announcer called it the "anti Covid vaccine". The UK were in a terrible position 6 months ago with covid literally everwhere, and they had no choice but to take what was on offer at the time. Now they're approaching 50% total vaccination and appear to be very appreciative of their scientists.

Wimbledon’s standing ovation for COVID vaccine hero puts Australia to shame

The emotional scene shone a harsh light on our failures, including one sour moment at the Australian Open.

7news.com.au

And TBH, I'm still very unsure what to do about vaccines myself, I'm under 40 but i don't trust Scott Morrison as far as i can throw him. I do trust Brett Sutton though, so if he comes out and states that under 40's should get the Astra Zeneca then I'll make an appointment. Hence why i was asking @MB78 to show me the quote he referenced yesterday.

 

[AngryAnt]

There has been a fair bit of talk about how effective the vaccine is and how some countries with high vaccination rates are still getting infections. While the infection numbers in countries with high vaccination rates can be high, and while this makes a good headline for the likes of Murdoch tabloids, the reality is more nuanced as a good article in The Age showed today.

Among other things it stated:



Also:



Note what it says: the vaccine's purpose is not to prevent the spread of the virus, it's purpose is to cut serious disease and death, and to make the number of infections far less relevant because the virus is causing a far lower rate of sickness, serious sickness and death.

The full article is here: https://www.theage.com.au/world/eur...country-getting-it-right-20210628-p5852n.html

So, can we get the bloody vaccination done now?

DS

Good article. Vaccination does also reduce transmission, not 100% but early data is showing it does.

As the article says the key reduction though is in deaths/serious illness/hospitalisation. And yes, Covid is here to stay, we'll likely need annual boosters based on seasonal variations and mutations.

Vaccinate faster. It's a race - against the virus, and also against other countries who will open up sooner.

 

[Baloo]

He at least needs to be questioned where the advice to give AZ to under 60's came from. I assume there was no expert advice and this was done on a whim.

Quite simply it's a political move. After touting NSW as the gold standard, Gladys as the woman who saved Australia, the Lib government who handle it better than any ALP could, he's now rushing to try and stop a big outbreak in NSW.

Who cares if it's against medical advice, there's an election coming.

 

[Ridley]

He at least needs to be questioned where the advice to give AZ to under 60's came from. I assume there was no expert advice and this was done on a whim.

The messaging around AZ is a disaster. How the hell did Slomo get a job in marketing? He couldn't sell a bottle of water to a dying man in the desert.

"Only under 60s can have AZ. Oops I meant under 60s. What's that? Sydney in lockdown? *smile* it anyone can have it. Roll up, roll up?"

What a joke. The risk of blood clotting is so miniscule plus they are now much better at recognising the symptoms and how to treat it. I've got more chance of dying from driving to work everyday; or of falling down the stairs I walk up and down 10 times a day. The hysteria around the AZ vaccine is ludicrous. People do *smile* in their everyday lives which carries greater risks yet everyone is shitting themselves about a vaccine that will help the world live without soul destroying lockdowns. Do people also realise that MNDA vaccines carry a risk of heart inflammation? Are they gonna refuse Pfizer as well?

The only way we will get this country vaccinated quickly is with AZ. Let's get on with it.

 

[Al Bundy]

I doubt India have access to enough vaccines for their 1.4 billion population. Maybe they're the world real test of herd immunity? Dunno whats going on there now.

On another note, there was a standing ovation for the scientists credited with developing Astra Zeneca - interesting that the announcer called it the "anti Covid vaccine". The UK were in a terrible position 6 months ago with covid literally everwhere, and they had no choice but to take what was on offer at the time. Now they're approaching 50% total vaccination and appear to be very appreciative of their scientists.

Wimbledon’s standing ovation for COVID vaccine hero puts Australia to shame

The emotional scene shone a harsh light on our failures, including one sour moment at the Australian Open.

7news.com.au

And TBH, I'm still very unsure what to do about vaccines myself, I'm under 40 but i don't trust Scott Morrison as far as i can throw him. I do trust Brett Sutton though, so if he comes out and states that under 40's should get the Astra Zeneca then I'll make an appointment. Hence why i was asking @MB78 to show me the quote he referenced yesterday.

NSW were just questioned on it on their live feed. They recommended that those under 60 who want to get AZ to speak to their GPs first to address any issues. Just happen to hear it. ( more to it but just a quick response 4 u)

I havent heard, searched or come across Sutton's take on it yet.

 

[BT Tiger]

NSW were just questioned on it on their live feed. They recommended that those under 60 who want to get AZ to speak to their GPs first to address any issues. Just happen to hear it. ( more to it but just a quick response 4 u)

I havent heard, searched or come across Sutton's take on it yet.

Thanks Al.

Gladys did say to consult your GP first for under 40's but i wouldn't call her words an endorsement to go and get it. Feel sorry for the poor old GP's who were blind sided by the PM, they must be tearing their hair out.

 

[Tigers of Old]

He at least needs to be questioned where the advice to give AZ to under 60's came from. I assume there was no expert advice and this was done on a whim.

How many unused million$ are sitting in storage?

 

[Al Bundy]

Thanks Al.

Gladys did say to consult your GP first for under 40's but i wouldn't call her words an endorsement to go and get it. Feel sorry for the poor old GP's who were blind sided by the PM, they must be tearing their hair out.

Yep. It was the health lady(forget her name) went into detail

My GP wasnt helpful, but 2 specialists were. I dunno tbh.

Now they had a national cabinet with a clear pic they all agreed, then a couple of days later u hear mix messages again from states. So hard work it out. ( edited post)

 

[Scoop]

State versus federal at every level. An unmitigated disaster.

Every day gets worse for Scott Morrison.

 

[Bunnerz]

South Australia has 5 covids this morning, NSW 1 already and QLD 1 already for tomorrows figures.

 

[DavidSSS]

I haven't read anything about this so my question is: do we know of the risk factors in relation to getting the blood clots? In other words, will talking to a GP help at all - unless we have some data on who is more likely to get a blood clot then the GP won't have anything to say beyond the general stats on how many people get blood clots.

Anyone know if there are specific risk factors they can look for in advising younger people to get the AZ vaccine?

DS

 

[Ian4]

State versus federal at every level. An unmitigated disaster.

Every day gets worse for Scott Morrison.

he has got away with murder for a very, very long time now. finally, it looks like the chickens are coming home to roost. Lockdowns in 4 jurisdictions and one in a 5th jurisdiction a few weeks ago, only highlights how slow the vaccine rollout has become and has made people angry.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Dutton and/or Frydenberg were already gauging numbers.

 

[mrposhman]

I doubt India have access to enough vaccines for their 1.4 billion population. Maybe they're the world real test of herd immunity? Dunno whats going on there now.

On another note, there was a standing ovation for the scientists credited with developing Astra Zeneca - interesting that the announcer called it the "anti Covid vaccine". The UK were in a terrible position 6 months ago with covid literally everwhere, and they had no choice but to take what was on offer at the time. Now they're approaching 50% total vaccination and appear to be very appreciative of their scientists.

Wimbledon’s standing ovation for COVID vaccine hero puts Australia to shame

The emotional scene shone a harsh light on our failures, including one sour moment at the Australian Open.

7news.com.au

And TBH, I'm still very unsure what to do about vaccines myself, I'm under 40 but i don't trust Scott Morrison as far as i can throw him. I do trust Brett Sutton though, so if he comes out and states that under 40's should get the Astra Zeneca then I'll make an appointment. Hence why i was asking @MB78 to show me the quote he referenced yesterday.

I'm in the same position as you. Under 40 and unsure what to do. I won't listen to Dr Morrison, but if the health professionals start advising it then I might consider it. The fact that they all seem to have been blindsided by this announcement by Dr Morrison concerns me puts me off booking an appointment and therefore waiting until November / December time when we should have more Pfizer.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

I'm in the same position as you. Under 40 and unsure what to do. I won't listen to Dr Morrison, but if the health professionals start advising it then I might consider it. The fact that they all seem to have been blindsided by this announcement by Dr Morrison concerns me puts me off booking an appointment and therefore waiting until November / December time when we should have more Pfizer.

Well at least you haven't been labelled a selfish anti-vaxxer froot loop who doesn't understand maths. Here's some material to help you make up your mind.

Victoria’s chief health officer Brett Sutton echoed that point on Tuesday, saying he was confident AstraZeneca was safe for people aged under 40.

Why Millennials shouldn’t worry about AstraZeneca vaccine

“They’ve done the work to do the risk analysis for us, you don’t have to do it yourself, and they’ve recommended that people under the age of 60 get the Pfizer vaccine."

Doctors urge under-60s to wait for Pfizer

Hope this helps.

Bye.

 

[Redford]

So we have the greatest "Dr Dud" PM of all time, the states and the AMA (and goodness knows who else) all singing from different and ever changing hymn sheets now. Can this roll out get any worse ???

What an un-coordinated and disastrous f up all of this is, the ramifications of which are all too obvious. Country is a dangerous embarrassment under this phoney PM. Talk about failing your country.

 

[Harry]

Thought AZ was safe. Why are they advising if you can wait for Pfizer then you should wait?

 

[AngryAnt]

Thought AZ was safe. Why are they advising if you can wait for Pfizer then you should wait?

Because now they are in a bind - they overreacted to the AZ blood clotting issue, they want to take it back but now are concerned about blowback/legal issues if people do die from clots.

So they are pushing the decision down on to the consumer/voter.

Total messaging disaster.

 

[RoarEmotion]

I’m pretty utilitarian. My view is jam it into everyone without commorbidities as quick as possible. Set up an open date once 100% of pop has had the appropriate chance to vaccinate.

minimise overall pain and suffering.

lockdowns are bad. Overwhelmed health systems are bad.

think sco mo doing right thing to enable it for everyone. Doing it in a ham fisted way and without the ‘why’ messaging.

 

[DavidSSS]

They over-reacted to the blood clotting issue, they didn't get enough supplies of the alternatives to AZ, then COVID got out again and they looked foolish so panicked again saying that under 60s can go get AZ if they want. Messaging? No messaging going on at all because you need to have a message before you can deliver a message. The Federal Government have no idea what they are going to do in 5 minutes time because they screwed up the vaccination roll out so badly.

The point about co-morbidities is a fair point, but do we know what makes some people get the blood clot while others don't? I'm not sure we do.

DS

 

[Coburgtiger]

Set aside blood clots, as it's basically a pointless thing to worry about.

The weird extra question mark here, is that 30's to 40's might actually get vaccinated quicker by waiting for this next Pfizer shipment than by going out today and getting AZ, due to the quicker time between shots, and the relative ineffectiveness of a single shot. That depends on what the Feds plans are for the next shipment.

It also seems you're better protected from the delta variant with Pfizer than with AZ, but AZ is infinitely better than nothing.

Combine that with the lack of information and clarity and its actually quite difficult to know the best decision to take right now, to get yourself protected from COVID.

Personally, I'm 32, and after hearing yesterday I'm finally allowed to get a vaccine, I'm going to get one. My GP is booked out for 3 weeks, so I've made an appointment for then to get AZ.

I don't know if it's the best decision, because it means I won't be fully vaccinated till October-November ish. I could probably become eligible and get both Pfizers in that time. But that depends on our inept federal government to actually organise something.

This should not have been this complicated.