A mate booked in from the beachside suburbs and the earliest he could get was July. That was for his preferred site only, though.
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Let me ask you this in a politically neutral way since it seems you just want to practice sophistry.
Do you think the Covid-19 vaccine rollout SHOULD be a priority for both STATE governments and the FEDERAL government in Australia?
As bad as 11 cases are, the news isn't all bad. All from known contacts and in Iso, etc. only 4 are the Delta variant (3 are kids).
the 3 cases from their day 13 test... can be seen as positive and negative. Positive because they have been in Iso for so long, their infectious period will probably be over and there will be no new exposure sites. But negative, because it probably means we will see more “day 13 positives” now that the SA HQ outbreak reaches the end of its cycle in the coming days.
the 3 cases from their day 13 test... can be seen as positive and negative. Positive because they have been in Iso for so long, their infectious period will probably be over and there will be no new exposure sites. But negative, because it probably means we will see more “day 13 positives” now that the SA HQ outbreak reaches the end of its cycle in the coming days.
No, you're just busting your balls to paint me as a bad person.
Not without a public roadmap or at least an open-up date.
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Don't care if you are good, bad or ugly. I don't care if you vaccinate or not, although the more who vaccinate the better. You are a smart guy, so you know the importance of vaccination if we are to defeat this thing.
If you want to stick fat with the Feds regardless of anything else, your choice.
When they want to announce something I'm all ears. It's not like I have any influence.
Until then I'm no worse off being unvaccinated.
AA i think you are wasting your time. The Feds know it is a priority, all the states know it is a priority, everyone involved in health know it is a priority, everyone in business knows it is a priority. in short everyone knows it is a priority, but to admit it is a priority is to admit Morrison and the Libs have F'd the vaccine roll out up completely, which some people are not willing to do.
Going to be interesting to see which way the State govt go with this.
Is it a numbers or a control led decision to bring us out of lockdown. From a numbers perspective it would seem we are in for a longer lockdown. If its a control issue, contact tracers have done their job it would appear as pretty much all the cases over the last few days have either been in an aged are facility we know about, or are known contacts of another case and therefore in iso so transmission is controlled. There have been very few mystery cases so would appear its under control.
FWIW, I reckon they won't want us out over the long weekend, so an extension of lockdown until midnight next Monday / Tuesday is likely IMO.
When the time comes & the rush of those who want to be vacinated starts to come to a trickle, that should be the time the Government sets a cut off date for those who want to be freely vaccinated. Then set an opening up policy accordingly. If the anti-vaxers get covid from then on..
Ah yes, you can't think for yourself - you have to wait for ScoMo to tell you it's a priority before you can have an opinion about it. Got it.
Sure, if you prefer not to give an opinion, that's your choice. Just say that from the start instead of wasting everyone's time.
If it was a priority you would think
- system set up to handle online bookings
- influencing campaign to emotionally and intellectually understand the importance of vaccination (think TAC campaign) and to put risk into context of being in vaccinated (same risk as driving 400km). Should also reach into schools and influence the curriculum IMO. Research Edward Jenner, history of polio, science of masks / pandemics etc so kids influence parents.
- We have to acknowledge there will likely be some blood clot death. maybe work out how to deal with this in advance vs clickbait scare journalism that will otherwise eventuate.
- a clear roadmap that spells out when we will open up country whether or not you are vaccinated to start the conversation and set expectations. I think this would have a huge effect and create a social dynamic that would flip a lot of people from being passive about it to the other way. If you think covid isn’t real and vaccines have mind control chips in them then Darwin is a fair chance of picking you for an award.
I’m certainly of the view that although it’s a priority for me (once I can get it booked easily I’ll do it) it isn’t a priority for the country as I don’t see the communication, carrots and sticks that would help achieve this.
- system set up to handle online bookings
- influencing campaign to emotionally and intellectually understand the importance of vaccination (think TAC campaign) and to put risk into context of being in vaccinated (same risk as driving 400km). Should also reach into schools and influence the curriculum IMO. Research Edward Jenner, history of polio, science of masks / pandemics etc so kids influence parents.
- We have to acknowledge there will likely be some blood clot death. maybe work out how to deal with this in advance vs clickbait scare journalism that will otherwise eventuate.
- a clear roadmap that spells out when we will open up country whether or not you are vaccinated to start the conversation and set expectations. I think this would have a huge effect and create a social dynamic that would flip a lot of people from being passive about it to the other way. If you think covid isn’t real and vaccines have mind control chips in them then Darwin is a fair chance of picking you for an award.
I’m certainly of the view that although it’s a priority for me (once I can get it booked easily I’ll do it) it isn’t a priority for the country as I don’t see the communication, carrots and sticks that would help achieve this.
Depends, as always, on how you define "work".
Does it work to prevent infection with the new variants? Depending on the vaccine it does appear to be a lot less effective.
Does it work to stop the spread of the virus, especially the new variants? Jury seems to be out on this. Having at least some people not catch the virus as a result of the vaccine would reduce spread, but limited impact is the impression I get.
Does it stop you getting sick if you do catch COVID? The answer appears to be no if you define getting sick as having any symptoms of COVID - ie: you would include people with mild to middling flu-like symptoms as having got sick.
Does it stop you from getting severely ill and dying as a result of catching COVID? I don't think we know enough yet but the signs are that those who are vaccinated are way less likely to become severely ill (requiring hospitalisation) or die from COVID, and this applies to all variants.
All up the vaccine is still looking like a success from this. If having the vaccine means you might get sick but are very unlikely to be severely ill or die then COVID getting loose in the community becomes a problem of similar magnitude to the flu which we know is loose in the community all the time.
Of course, the impact of vaccination is heavily reliant on the proportion of the population vaccinated, the more the better.
I figure some here who work in health care will know more and be able to correct me if any of the above is incorrect.
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It’s probably telling too that I come here to find out quickly what is actually going on.
