I'd like to tattoo "uoy tceffa ton seod od I tahW" on your forehead. If you see it in the mirror every morning, it might sink in.
Excuse me while I eat my entitled Nando's.
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Excuse me while I eat my entitled Nando's.
Anyway, here's the data on mass vaccination and impact on the economy.
Cost of delayed mass vaccination meaning borders remain - around AUD 16 billion per 81 days of additional border closure.
www.smartcompany.com.au
If you want to look overseas, Wharton did a study on how mass vaccination is helping the US economy into a kickstart.
knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu
The OECD says that mass vaccination will strongly benefit economic bounce backs.
Time is of the essence
According to the Organization for Economic Development (OECD), while global GDP should rise by around 4¼% by the end of 2021, national bounce-back could be uneven. In its December Economic Outlook, the OECD observes that it is the countries with effective track and trace systems and rapid deployment of vaccines which will perform most strongly.
www.weforum.org
So what about lockdowns which make Lee so hot under the collar? Turns out faster mass vaccination will prevent lockdowns too.
www.smh.com.au
Mass vaccination matters. Mass vaccination will allow the economy to bounce back sooner, particular in certain industries. Mass vaccination will prevent lockdowns.
Mass vaccination is our highest priority.
Cost of delayed mass vaccination meaning borders remain - around AUD 16 billion per 81 days of additional border closure.
COVID-19: Delayed vaccine rollout estimated to cost $16.4 billion, new modelling shows
The current rate of the vaccine rollout is likely to set back the opening of Australia’s borders to the world by an extra 81 days, the report says.
www.smartcompany.com.au
If you want to look overseas, Wharton did a study on how mass vaccination is helping the US economy into a kickstart.
How Economic Recovery Hinges on the Vaccine Rollout
Doubling COVID-19 vaccine doses to 3 million a day could boost U.S. employment and GDP, according to a Penn Wharton Budget Model analysis.…Read More
The OECD says that mass vaccination will strongly benefit economic bounce backs.
Time is of the essence
According to the Organization for Economic Development (OECD), while global GDP should rise by around 4¼% by the end of 2021, national bounce-back could be uneven. In its December Economic Outlook, the OECD observes that it is the countries with effective track and trace systems and rapid deployment of vaccines which will perform most strongly.
These 8 charts show how the global economy is coping with COVID-19
Global GDP has fallen by 4.2% since the pandemic began, and predictions show the recovery is set to be less than even.
www.weforum.org
So what about lockdowns which make Lee so hot under the collar? Turns out faster mass vaccination will prevent lockdowns too.
‘Delays will increase the chance of lockdowns’: McKell Institute warns of $1.4b hit to economy
Failing to speed up the vaccination rollout could leave Australians facing up to 34 extra days under lockdown.
Mass vaccination matters. Mass vaccination will allow the economy to bounce back sooner, particular in certain industries. Mass vaccination will prevent lockdowns.
Mass vaccination is our highest priority.
Lee I understand your point to an extent about the economy not opening up to the rest of the world until next year BUT even Sutton was asked earlier in the week where if there are future outbreaks when wouldn't they lockdown, ie. what % of victorians do we need to be vaccinated in order to make lockdowns unlikely, and I think there was a comment around %. Whilst it may be 80% for opening the International border, having a lower target to ensure that we don't fall in and out of lockdowns is huge for the economy over the next 12 months.
I'll be getting vaccinated as soon as I'm added to the list. I'm 39 so just outside of the current approved list.
I'll be getting vaccinated as soon as I'm added to the list. I'm 39 so just outside of the current approved list.
Yep the McKell study argues there's a direct reduction in the days spent in lockdown the more people are vaccinated.
I have some questions I hope someone can answer. First off, I’m not an anti vaxxer, just had my flu shot and need to wait a bit for the corona jab.
My understanding is the vaccine doesn’t stop you getting the virus, or stop you from spreading it. It just hopefully minimises the effects of the virus in you. Is this correct?
Assuming that the above statement is correct, if vaccinated people have caught the virus and have symptoms bad enough to feel like getting tested, results would turn up as positive correct?
Can a positive result be differentiated between someone who is vaccinated as opposed to someone that hasn’t been?
I keep seeing on the news reports that traces of the virus have been detected in waste water. Affected vaccinated people would still expel infected waste wouldn’t they?
I guess what I’m asking is, if even though enough people get vaccinated, can the virus still spread enough for governments to order lockdowns?
My understanding is the vaccine doesn’t stop you getting the virus, or stop you from spreading it. It just hopefully minimises the effects of the virus in you. Is this correct?
Assuming that the above statement is correct, if vaccinated people have caught the virus and have symptoms bad enough to feel like getting tested, results would turn up as positive correct?
Can a positive result be differentiated between someone who is vaccinated as opposed to someone that hasn’t been?
I keep seeing on the news reports that traces of the virus have been detected in waste water. Affected vaccinated people would still expel infected waste wouldn’t they?
I guess what I’m asking is, if even though enough people get vaccinated, can the virus still spread enough for governments to order lockdowns?
There's been no instruction that future lockdowns can be avoided by getting vaccinated. None. I dare say they don't know enough to provide that sort of guidance.
From my readings and im not a doctor. The vaccination reduces symptoms, time infected, contagiousness, morbidity and mortality etc. It might mean that many people who have it are not contagious at all. Currently they think about 80% who have CV are not contagious, 20% are. The vaccine would reduce this rate further. If enough people are vaccinated, the R rate falls to zero.
If you have the virus you still test positive. You cant differentiate a vaccinated person from a non vaccinated person by a positive test. But they could tell you.
Your last question - depends on the level of vaccination and the effectiveness of the vaccine. If clusters still grow, lockdown. If they don't, they die out, no lockdown.
Interesting reading the vaccination numbers by state and territory. Victoria is now getting a move on. Queensland seem to have the slowest uptake. I wonder if that’s because their CHO and Premier haven’t had their dose yet?
Tassie is doing the best job thus far by a fair margin.
Tassie is doing the best job thus far by a fair margin.
Except of course the actual science. It's almost as if you think vaccination does nothing whatsoever.
There's been no instruction that future lockdowns can be avoided by getting vaccinated.
I will repeat this for as long as necessary for it to sink in.
My understanding is that yes, you can contract it and can spread it, but the time windows are drastically reduced so there a far shorter period where you can pass it on.
That's why it's important for everyone to be vaccinated as soon as possible. It will reduce the spread significantly.
Either the federal or state government. If they announce there will be no lockdowns after date X, again, I will get the first jab three months ahead. But they haven't and won't in the near future.
Sorry Lee but this is just not correct.
Having everyone vaccinated is the reason we should be able to a avoid lockdowns in the future and having people move about freely whilst the virus is present in our society .
Point me to the official government statement, please. I'm sure I'd have heard about it if there'd been one.
Here's some more data and research on this Legends.
In the UK, one dose of AZ or Pfizer - not both doses, just one, halves likelihood of transmission. Given the r0 is (growth of infection rate) is around 1.4-2.5 in most countries and lower in Australia, if we get the number below 1 then the virus dies. A rate below 1 means that one infectious person infects less than 1 other person. Below 1, a disease dies out.
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
People who get coronavirus after their first jab are up to 49% less likely to pass it on, research suggests.
www.bbc.com
Dr Mary Ramsay, head of immunisation at PHE, said: "Vaccines are vital in helping us return to a normal way of life. Not only do vaccines reduce the severity of illness and prevent hundreds of deaths every day, we now see they also have an additional impact on reducing the chance of passing Covid-19 on to others."
Again from the UK - with 55 million people vaccinated the UK anticipates lifting most forms of lockdown by June. They do anticipate keeping a range of social restrictions until the end of this year, and of course they won't guarantee no lockdowns. There could be other flare ups, new variants etc so Lee wanting an absolute ironclad guarantee of "no lockdowns" ever again is of course completely fanciful.
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Here's the statement from Boris on how vaccination is allowing the country to open up.
“I know there will be many people who will be worried that we are being too ambitious and that it is arrogant to impose any kind of plan upon a virus.” The Prime Minister said, “And I agree that we must always be humble in the face of nature and we must be cautious but I really also believe that the vaccination programme has dramatically changed the odds in our favour and it is on that basis that we can now proceed.
Mass vaccination should be our number one priority.
Good get. Yes, he's a bit of a different beast from the deluded hillbilly deniers, like a lot of the coalition like Freidenberg they know CC is real but don't care, its just about now, votes, the next election. So in a way he's worse than Joyce and Christensen, because at least they make a show of addressing the ethical barriers. JF also said if you were doing it hard if you were on $250K pa. He knew it was *smile* of course, just a cynical vote grab.
Funny coincidence, just as I read this Freidenberg was on the news speaking at the Liberal Party convention, was joking they'd sent Fitzgibbon some membership forms.
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Thanks for that antHere's some more data and research on this Legends.
In the UK, one dose of AZ or Pfizer - not both doses, just one, halves likelihood of transmission. Given the r0 is (growth of infection rate) is around 1.4-2.5 in most countries and lower in Australia, if we get the number below 1 then the virus dies. A rate below 1 means that one infectious person infects less than 1 other person. Below 1, a disease dies out.
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
People who get coronavirus after their first jab are up to 49% less likely to pass it on, research suggests.www.bbc.com
Dr Mary Ramsay, head of immunisation at PHE, said: "Vaccines are vital in helping us return to a normal way of life. Not only do vaccines reduce the severity of illness and prevent hundreds of deaths every day, we now see they also have an additional impact on reducing the chance of passing Covid-19 on to others."
Again from the UK - with 55 million people vaccinated the UK anticipates lifting most forms of lockdown by June. They do anticipate keeping a range of social restrictions until the end of this year, and of course they won't guarantee no lockdowns. There could be other flare ups, new variants etc so Lee wanting an absolute ironclad guarantee of "no lockdowns" ever again is of course completely fanciful.
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Here's the statement from Boris on how vaccination is allowing the country to open up.
“I know there will be many people who will be worried that we are being too ambitious and that it is arrogant to impose any kind of plan upon a virus.” The Prime Minister said, “And I agree that we must always be humble in the face of nature and we must be cautious but I really also believe that the vaccination programme has dramatically changed the odds in our favour and it is on that basis that we can now proceed.
Mass vaccination should be our number one priority.
