The six months expires this September doesn't it? What's the alternative?
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The six months expires this September doesn't it? What's the alternative?
Yeah my bad. He's just had 6 months, why does he need another 12?
There is going to be a shitfight and I can't say I blame the rights crowd for being incensed. If the Andrews government makes no more monumental *smile*-ups, community transmission can be eliminated in a couple of months.
If I was the Liberals I'd compromise and say we'll give you three, do your job.
Have you read why he is extending them?? You may think the virus will be over in 3 months and you'd be wrong. Zero chance this is over in 3 months so I'm not sure what the point of extending for 3 months would be. Do you seriously think this will be over in 3 months?
"The state government, in a statement on Monday, said amendments to the Public Health and Wellbeing Act 2008 would be introduced on September 1, to allow the State of Emergency to be in place for this extended period.
“(The State of Emergency) is the legal instrument that allows rules about facemasks, about COVID safe work plans in workplaces large and small, that is the legal instrument that sits behind density limits in pubs and cafes and restaurants,” Andrews said.
“So we simply can’t have those important roles in the legal framework that sits behind them, we can’t have that end on September 13, because this will not have ended by the 13th of next month.
“We will extend the State of Emergency provisions within the Public Health and Wellbeing act for a maximum of a further 12 months.”
Opposition Leader Michael O’Brien told reporters on Monday that he would try to block the extension, saying the “power has gone to the Premier’s head”.
Michael O'Brien is a *smile*, as bad for the libs as Shorten was for federal politics for the ALP.
Whether we can get cases down and start re-opening over the coming month remains to be seen but even if we manage to do that then its pretty clear that face masks will remain mandatory for a fair amount of time from here on in. I would be surprised if they removed mandatory face masks until we know whether or not we will get a vaccine. The government need the state of emergency to be in place in order to be able to continue with temporary laws such as that, if they remove the state of emergency then they will need to put this through as permanent legislation and no-one wants that.
You are forgiven on the 6 months thing.
He needs a legal framework, this is it. What if at the end of three months he has to extend again? We aren't out of the woods yet on COVID so a hypothetical 12 months is fine by me, if things are fine in six months they can relax the state of emergency.
The rights crowd are the same people who wanted no lockdown during peak-Covid, so they can GGF as far as I'm concerned. It's a flakey alliance of IPA types like Rosner, that fat Liberal MP, and anti-vaxxers. They are anti-science nutjobs who just want to posture politically.
In terms of numbers, a very good day. Yesterday there was a latish change to the number in aged care so it changed my reduction in active cases outside of aged care and healthcare down to 70, but today there was a reduction of 173 which is excellent news. Down to under 1700 active cases now outside of healthcare and aged care.
No argument about that crowd in general, however Andrews is stepping way over the mark here and the public is right to be suspicious. We can just agree to disagree.
Not exactly apples and apples, but here is Ireland's chart after a similar peak caseload to Victoria.
May 9-10 they had just over 200 cases. While never quite getting to zero, they got to single digits within a month. No reason why we shouldn't be in a position to gradually ease restrictions in the next three months given our harsh lockdown, provided the vast majority of the public gets/stays on board.
If we haven't brought this thing to heel before summer, I suspect there will be widespread public disregard for the rules. Maybe that's what Andrews is worried about?
Finding some of the comments here interesting.mmmmmm really guys.. a lots of places in the world are having it worse off , we have been in a state of emergency since March .. 7 week lockdown where we couldn't leave the house .. army patrols in the streets .. Gaborone the capital has been in lockdown 3 times ...No alcohol sales since March .. yep apple homebrew is ok ..but not really the same .. starting to get really sick of it . You have to have your hands sprayed with sanitiser , have mask on of course ,have your temp taken and sign in with full details when you go to any shop even an ATM and petrol stations we have living with these rules since March . You can't try on clothes or shoes in stores ..$2000 USD fine if not wearing a mask outside your house .. police pulling ppl over and fining them if 2 or more ppl are in the car and they are not wearing marks .( Police are checking cars every day on the bridge in town here ) . Can't drive to the nearest city without a permit and a good reason ..so stuck in our little town ..the state of emergency ends in November atm but most likely be extended well into 2021. But were doing ok here there are cases but atm its under control .. so cant really complain . The restrictions in South Africa are harsher as things are getting out of control. there ..
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For once I'm going to agree with Lee, 12 months as opposed to say rolling 3 or 6 months is a bad look morale wise. Andrews is overreaching here.
Not exactly apples and apples, but here is Ireland's chart after a similar peak caseload to Victoria.
May 9-10 they had just over 200 cases. While never quite getting to zero, they got to single digits within a month. No reason why we shouldn't be in a position to gradually ease restrictions in the next three months given our harsh lockdown, provided the vast majority of the public gets/stays on board.
If we haven't brought this thing to heel before summer, I suspect there will be widespread public disregard for the rules. Maybe that's what Andrews is worried about?
I'm not arguing that restrictions won't be lifted. I was expecting Stage 4 to be extended but now I'm not so sure. A gradual easing is expected but I expect face masks will be mandatory for a significant period from here on so expecting that to be one of the major reasons why the 12 month extension has been brought in. Whilst we may have a vaccine ready early next year, it will take some time to be able to produce enough of the vaccine to vaccinate the entire population, none of this will be completed before mid next year at the earliest hence the extension IMO.
Looks like we might get to reduce restrictions from Stage 4 down to Stage 3 fairly soon as the numbers are going in the right direction.
While the government needs to be able to make rules on behaviour and needs the State of Emergency into the future, and this is not going away for a while, I reckon a 6 month extension is reasonable, not 12 months. We don't want the extra powers in place for longer than necessary. Most people will comply with directives but there seems to be a few who won't.
Interesting situation in Botswana DJ, looks like they are making sure they don't get the large numbers South Africa has suffered. Are they trying to eradicate the virus? I know there aren't many cases in Botswana but the population, from memory, is just over 1 million so doesn't take many cases to be a fair proportion of the population. Always wanted to go to Botswana, Okavango Delta would be good. Spent 3 months in Johannesburg in the late 90s but didn't get to Botswana.
The numbers in Victoria are still looking good:
Going in the right direction with fluctuations as expected.
Let's keep it going, wear those masks and stay home where possible.
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While the government needs to be able to make rules on behaviour and needs the State of Emergency into the future, and this is not going away for a while, I reckon a 6 month extension is reasonable, not 12 months. We don't want the extra powers in place for longer than necessary. Most people will comply with directives but there seems to be a few who won't.
Interesting situation in Botswana DJ, looks like they are making sure they don't get the large numbers South Africa has suffered. Are they trying to eradicate the virus? I know there aren't many cases in Botswana but the population, from memory, is just over 1 million so doesn't take many cases to be a fair proportion of the population. Always wanted to go to Botswana, Okavango Delta would be good. Spent 3 months in Johannesburg in the late 90s but didn't get to Botswana.
The numbers in Victoria are still looking good:
Going in the right direction with fluctuations as expected.
Let's keep it going, wear those masks and stay home where possible.
DS
David SSS your on the mark about Botwana trying not to get the large number of cases that South Africa and surrounding nations , and to control the spread of the virus They have been tough from day one ...But Bots is pretty well governed country unlike most african nations.. your right there are not many ppl in Botswana 2.254 million (2018) compare that to or neighbour Zimbabwe ( 50ks from here )with a smaller land mass at 14,438,802 ppl. Yeah the risk of getting virus in South Africa is high.. In Botswana most cases here have been truck divers coming in from South Africa . and illegal immigrants crossing from the mess that Zim is in ( military raping and pillaging there own ppl ) Yeah zim is only 50ks away but its a world away as far as the the way its run .. infrastructure etc to Botswana .. Like comparing Australia to PNG .. The good news is no new cases this week in Botswana .
South Africa
Botswana
South Africa| Total cases 611K +1,677 | Recovered 516K | Deaths 13,159 |
Botswana| Total cases 1,308 | Recovered - | Deaths 3 |
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Ambit claim in the first place, probably hoping for 6 months and might have to put up with 3 months.
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Yeah, Botswana has always been better run, just the one party in government since independence from memory although I might be a bit out of date.
I remember going to Zim in the early 90s and it was stable and the infrastructure was in good condition. From what I heard it was after Mugabe's wife died he no longer had someone to tell him when he was being a megalomaniac.
Good on Botswana keeping this out.
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