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Coronavirus
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the Sweden example shows that not locking down had the same impact or worse on the economy. The analysis is extremely poor as it assumes the economy continues as it did prior to corona. It ignores costs like increased deaths and hospitalisations, and the resultant excess deaths due to lack of health service availability. It assumes no vaccine is forthcoming and herd immunity is an inevitable strategy. It doesn't cost the impact of a herd immunity strategy.
I don’t know about the actual percentage - but it is not uncommon for people to Test positive without showing any symptoms at all.
Combine that with the virus being highly contagious is why all the health professionals are *smile* scared.
I didn't bring MMT into it, you did. (It's more an established practice than a theory, by the way. Even an arch necon like Alan Greenspan said: "The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that. So there is zero probability of default.")
I'm talking about the notion that we "can't afford" to do the things we need to do, to protect individuals, businesses, and the economy. We absolutely can. We just have to choose to. In a country as rich as Australia, no one has to be destitute, or homeless, or wanting for healthcare, but unfortunately there are some who can't feel like winners unless someone else is losing.
Incidentally,
Complacent government delivers early shock therapy to prepare public for cuts
Sorry, but this is the economic statement of a government that’s complacent about controlling the coronavirus and about getting a million unemployed people back to work. Morrison and Frydenberg have called for the bill. But they've made quite an assumption in doing so.
Every time you think this government is a bunch of *smile* wits, they remind you they're a pack of campaigners.
Yep, estimated around 40% are asymptomatic, which is why track and trace and test is critical.
CDC's 'best estimate' is 40 percent COVID-19 infections are asymptomatic
In updated guidance, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said its "best estimate" is that 40 percent of people infected with COVID-19 are asymptomatic.
For some age groups it's higher.
Not stopped, not fined. Great message there for the people doing the right thing.
www.news.com.au
Virus theorist slammed over border stunt
A coronavirus conspiracy theorist who filmed herself laughing after she drove past a COVID-19 police barricade in Victoria without giving her details has been slammed as “dumb” and “disrespectful”.
Vital Signs: Victoria’s privatised quarantine arrangements were destined to fail
Economics tells us that governments privatising services where quality counts is a bad idea.
theconversation.com
Not stopped, not fined. Great message there for the people doing the right thing.
Virus theorist slammed over border stunt
A coronavirus conspiracy theorist who filmed herself laughing after she drove past a COVID-19 police barricade in Victoria without giving her details has been slammed as “dumb” and “disrespectful”.
Maybe they should do as they say, and take her through the Covid ward at the Austin or Royal Melbourne.
Yeh because no privately run business is capable of delivering quality services and government's services are nothing but quality. It's amazing that any privately run businesses exist given how incapable they are.Vital Signs: Victoria’s privatised quarantine arrangements were destined to fail
Economics tells us that governments privatising services where quality counts is a bad idea.
It's all scomos fault anyway.
Not stopped, not fined. Great message there for the people doing the right thing.
Virus theorist slammed over border stunt
A coronavirus conspiracy theorist who filmed herself laughing after she drove past a COVID-19 police barricade in Victoria without giving her details has been slammed as “dumb” and “disrespectful”.
Seriously; this is a *smile* disgrace. WTF are we doing in this state? The vast majority of people are abiding by draconian, albeit necessary, lock down rules, wearing masks 10 hours a day, staying at home unless absolutely necessary to go out; all the while the rest of the country is going out to dinner, to the footy, catching up with friends and family etc; all laughing at how *smile* inept we are in Victoria.
Then some *smile* nut job drives up to the checkpoint and just drives out of Melbourne without any consequences!!! What is the *smile* point of having checkpoints if they aren't enforced? Yet a couple of kids hanging in a park not wearing masks with no one else around will probably get fined $200.
Geez this is a *smile* joke. Andrews needs to take control and enforce the law on these *smile* wits who are deliberately disobeying the lock down rules. Fine them $10K; throw them in the slammer. I don't give a *smile*. Just sort it out.
Otherwise we may as well all just flip the bird and get on with our lives as normal and let the virus sort us all out. Bloody hell
i dont think anyone is saying private business cant be successful, but private business running social services for profit is fraught with risk, particularly in sectors where there is no natural marker to drive quality.
and you need to move on from Scomo, it is a bit boring.
Seriously; this is a *smile* disgrace. WTF are we doing in this state? The vast majority of people are abiding by draconian, albeit necessary, lock down rules, wearing masks 10 hours a day, staying at home unless absolutely necessary to go out; all the while the rest of the country is going out to dinner, to the footy, catching up with friends and family etc; all laughing at how *smile* inept we are in Victoria.
Then some *smile* nut job drives up to the checkpoint and just drives out of Melbourne without any consequences!!! What is the *smile* point of having checkpoints if they aren't enforced? Yet a couple of kids hanging in a park not wearing masks with no one else around will probably get fined $200.
Geez this is a *smile* joke. Andrews needs to take control and enforce the law on these *smile* wits who are deliberately disobeying the lock down rules. Fine them $10K; throw them in the slammer. I don't give a *smile*. Just sort it out.
Otherwise we may as well all just flip the bird and get on with our lives as normal and let the virus sort us all out. Bloody hell
Im getting the feeling you're not particularly happy with the way this young lady has conducted herself.
Agree, btw. disgraceful behaviour.
VIC
New Cases: 280 (300 with 20 reclassified)
Total Cases: 7405
Active Cases: 3734 (up 104, which is down by more than half from yesterday).
6 deaths (55 Total). * All 6 deaths are linked to Aged Care Facilities.
24,118 tests (1,437,233 Total)
NSW
New Cases: 7
Total Cases: 3640
Active Cases: 131 (up 7)
0 deaths (51 Total). Note: NSW Government website says 51 deaths, other sites say 49.
36,169 tests (1,297,429 Total) * 7 Cases from a lot more tests (highest amount of tests done in a single day). encouraging day for NSW.
New Cases: 280 (300 with 20 reclassified)
Total Cases: 7405
Active Cases: 3734 (up 104, which is down by more than half from yesterday).
6 deaths (55 Total). * All 6 deaths are linked to Aged Care Facilities.
24,118 tests (1,437,233 Total)
NSW
New Cases: 7
Total Cases: 3640
Active Cases: 131 (up 7)
0 deaths (51 Total). Note: NSW Government website says 51 deaths, other sites say 49.
36,169 tests (1,297,429 Total) * 7 Cases from a lot more tests (highest amount of tests done in a single day). encouraging day for NSW.
Yeah I should be more forthright
Anyway it's not just her behaviour and others like her, I'm also pissed with the so called enforcement of the lock down rules. Don't wear a mask walking around outside in the open air with no one around you; here's a $200 fine. Drive through a checkpoint outside of the lock down area and give no explanation as to what you're doing; on you way nothing to see here. That is just absolute bull *smile*. What is the *smile* point of doing this if people can just get away with crap like that?
The mis-management of Aged Care facilities is an absolute disgrace.
All along we never the elderly were the most at risk. Yet nothing was done to protect them from this.
All along we never the elderly were the most at risk. Yet nothing was done to protect them from this.
Can anyone explain why Geelong is not part of the lockdown area and the Mitchell Shire is? As of yesterday Geelong LGA had 23 active cases with case increasing on a daily basis, albeit in low numbers. The Mitchell Shire had 11 active cases which was 2 less than the day before. The Mitchell Shire borders Hume LGA which a week or so ago had the most active cases. However Hume has been well overtaken by Wyndham LGA which now has clearly the most active cases and shares a border with Geelong LGA.
Makes no sense at all.
Makes no sense at all.
I imagine they will review and update as necessary, they can't turn lockdowns on and off on a daily basis.
Wasn't suggesting they should do it on a daily basis. It's been over 2 weeks since the lockdown and Mitchell's numbers are going down whilst Geelong's are going up. Given Geelong is substantially more heavily populated than Mitchell and also has many, many residents travelling to the Wyndham red zone for work everyday then applying the restrictions in Geelong seems very pertinent; a no brainer really.
