If the first reaction at 3.30 of some people was to strip the shelves of toilet paper again just shows we are pushing up hill all the way.
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Why were people treated like criminals for playing golf or fishing, whilst thousands of woke activists were allowed to protest?
Why did this rogue premier choose an incompetent private security company to handle hotel quarantine instead of the military?
Why were these so called security guards allowed to 'fraternise' with the hotel guests?
Why were these people in hotels allowed to decline testing prior to leaving quarantine?
This whole thing is a *smile* clown show!!!
Our state is the laughing stock of the country and given we contribute almost 25% to Australia's GDP, this debacle will now hold back the rest of the country in its economic recovery.
Why did this rogue premier choose an incompetent private security company to handle hotel quarantine instead of the military?
Why were these so called security guards allowed to 'fraternise' with the hotel guests?
Why were these people in hotels allowed to decline testing prior to leaving quarantine?
This whole thing is a *smile* clown show!!!
Our state is the laughing stock of the country and given we contribute almost 25% to Australia's GDP, this debacle will now hold back the rest of the country in its economic recovery.
I suppose there is certain element of luck but it is clearly not the major element. 7 out of 8 states and territories are in a very good position. One is a disaster by comparison. That’s hardly just bad luck. *smile* has gone drastically wrong in Victoria.
You know how it started. We all know. We had no issues until an incompetent health department let it slip. You cannot support anything you write with data or facts. They failed at cedar meats that allowed more than 100 plus infections and then fail to monitor the biggest source of the virus. Fix those and we are in the same position as other states.
the lockdown is now necessary to get us back to where we were before the govt *smile* up. youll still be paid so who cares hey?
I think his point is that 1 state is in part attributable to luck. And some states who may have done something " wrong" might have been lucky that it didn't lead to an outbreak. Just conveying an experts view. We all have opinions but they can swamp our understanding.
Sage words ezy but I gotta tell you I am angry. *smile* angry.
As a country we all got behind the process to contain this virus and we just about had it licked. I was very pleased with how our federal and state governments all responded. The National Cabinet was a great success. Sure there were some major issues particularly in NSW with Ruby Princess and Newmarch House and they can not be forgotten. I've never been a huge fan of Dan Andrews (don't dislike him either) but I thought his initial leadership was generally first rate.
But I am really angry about the hotel quarantine disgrace (Vic Govt wears this) and for the selfish people that blatantly ignored advice and spread the virus like wildfire throughout the northern and western suburbs because they couldn't stay away from mass family gatherings. One woman who was interviewed even said "Oh, we thought it was over!" *smile* off that is just *smile*!
I feel for the vast majority of people in this great state; I really do. But now I need to take a deep breath and acknowledge that there are so many people worse off than I am. Those innocent people who have done the right thing and have still been severely impacted, whether it be physically, mentally or financially, by the spread of this virus through no fault of their own. These silent victims are the ones that I'm thinking of. Wishing them all the very best.
Agree too ridley, but not much i can do...
I will still go and check on my mum every day. Its my duty to her.
22nd if other states tested as much as Vic did would they have numbers like Victoria.....
Why did Germany do so much better than France, UK Spain Italy? All G20 nations with educated populations and
I am guessing solid medical systems?
This is global pandemic we need to look everywhere for answers not just in a few Melbourne postcodes.
I am guessing solid medical systems?
This is global pandemic we need to look everywhere for answers not just in a few Melbourne postcodes.
Good on you mate look after her. It must be very hard for older people on their own.
Same with Japan.....
We have to look at how these countries done it or are they fibbing their stats?????
Disagree. NSW testing has been pretty solid and has been cranked up from 13K to 16K since mid-June.
Easing of restrictions in Victoria from May 26 amazingly coincided with a steep drop-off in testing, down to around 4K in the week of the you-know-what. Was this simply because people thought the worst was over and stopped getting tested? I'd love to know the reason. The chart by itself is almost suggestive of sabotage.
It is bad, but we are at least at the point where locking down should control the spread and the numbers are low enough that we can try and contact trace.
Victoria is doing a whole lot better than most of the world, with effort now and a bit of luck (and no more f*** ups) we can turn this around.
I think the move to lock down Melbourne and one shire just North of us is the right move. The regions shouldn't suffer as the outbreak is mainly in Melbourne. However, that also begs the question as to why NSW is closing the border with Northern Victoria. Melbourne is the hot spot, no-one is allowed to leave Melbourne (was thinking about taking a long weekend to go down the coast, ain't happening now) so the border closure is a few hundred miles from where travel needs to be, and now is, being restricted.
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Victoria is doing a whole lot better than most of the world, with effort now and a bit of luck (and no more f*** ups) we can turn this around.
I think the move to lock down Melbourne and one shire just North of us is the right move. The regions shouldn't suffer as the outbreak is mainly in Melbourne. However, that also begs the question as to why NSW is closing the border with Northern Victoria. Melbourne is the hot spot, no-one is allowed to leave Melbourne (was thinking about taking a long weekend to go down the coast, ain't happening now) so the border closure is a few hundred miles from where travel needs to be, and now is, being restricted.
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So much anger in this thread, and supposition.
* Victoria wasn't the only state that used security guards. One other state used them like us, another had a mix of security & ADF. Maybe its not the method used, but the people implementing it
* there's been speculation- just that though, Speculation - that warmer climates fair better with infection. Maybe our colder, winter in Victoria makes us more susceptible than NSW.
* Anyone who doesn't believe the federal government twisted Andrews arm to open up earlier than we wanted is naive. A very large chunk of state revenue comes from Fed government grants. Dan is the infrastructure Premier. But to keep going, he needs cash. Open up, start earning us some GST, income tax, etc. Stop causing people to be unemployed, or I'll cut off the feeding tube. Every political party behaves like this to some extent.
* The community transmission isn't just about large family gathering. There's enough transmission now that it's not all down to the family birthday party or religious event. Hence lockdown
* Protest marches AT THAT TIME were selfish and wrong. It's not just the risk of contagion, but the message it sends about safety to mingle and lack of adherenceto social distancing. A family member has basically cut comms with me because of how strongly I feel about it. I don't trust the stats post the protest. Something smells fishy.
* other countries that got ahead of the virus and opened up for economic reasons are going backwards. Other states may see this happen too.
In NZ, I've been told they're struggling with social distancing too. Prepare for an increase there if it gets out of control.
* right now, it doesn't matter who's to blame. Let's just beat this *smile* thing and worry about politics when it's over.
* Victoria wasn't the only state that used security guards. One other state used them like us, another had a mix of security & ADF. Maybe its not the method used, but the people implementing it
* there's been speculation- just that though, Speculation - that warmer climates fair better with infection. Maybe our colder, winter in Victoria makes us more susceptible than NSW.
* Anyone who doesn't believe the federal government twisted Andrews arm to open up earlier than we wanted is naive. A very large chunk of state revenue comes from Fed government grants. Dan is the infrastructure Premier. But to keep going, he needs cash. Open up, start earning us some GST, income tax, etc. Stop causing people to be unemployed, or I'll cut off the feeding tube. Every political party behaves like this to some extent.
* The community transmission isn't just about large family gathering. There's enough transmission now that it's not all down to the family birthday party or religious event. Hence lockdown
* Protest marches AT THAT TIME were selfish and wrong. It's not just the risk of contagion, but the message it sends about safety to mingle and lack of adherenceto social distancing. A family member has basically cut comms with me because of how strongly I feel about it. I don't trust the stats post the protest. Something smells fishy.
* other countries that got ahead of the virus and opened up for economic reasons are going backwards. Other states may see this happen too.
In NZ, I've been told they're struggling with social distancing too. Prepare for an increase there if it gets out of control.
* right now, it doesn't matter who's to blame. Let's just beat this *smile* thing and worry about politics when it's over.
Other states are doing under 5K (Queensland) down to about 250 a day (NT). But they have very few positives to speak of - one here, maybe a couple over there - for a total of 37 between them since June 1. Sicktoria's had 500 since July 4.
Shhhhhh! You can get lynched for saying that around here!
You talk about supposition and then you use it yourself
I can tell you as a fact that the stats we get every day are totally accurate and are based on a now well organised data collection process. At the start of this the stats were less reliable as the system got developed but now what we get is what is happening and what is known.
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