Coronavirus

[caesar]

I'm a bit sus on the mask advice in Australia. Logic and common sense suggests they surely prevent an infected person from spreading the virus via coughing etc. especially when they don't know they have the virus?

I'd heard that a few weeks ago Vic hospitals were very worried they were going to run out of PPE. Perhaps the "no masks required" line from the government was a calculated risk to prevent panic buying, meaning hospitals and medicos would have gone without. The manufacturers would have been tempted to sell them at the highest cost possible, a cost the hospitals couldn't afford.

Agree, I bought a pack of 10 KN95 masks which cost me $40 bucks i am sure pre Covid they would have been cheaper.
Will come in handy when i visit my 86 year old mum in her retirement village, can't do any harm and it will give me some comfort that I am protecting her.

 

[Baloo]

Agree, I bought a pack of 10 KN95 masks which cost me $40 bucks i am sure pre Covid they would have been cheaper.
Will come in handy when i visit my 86 year old mum in her retirement village, can't do any harm and it will give me some comfort that I am protecting her.

The masks do help. All logic says they do. Either preventing an infected person from spraying droplets, or protecting a non infected from breathing in droplets.

Singapore originally said masks weren't necessary and for a long time we didn't bother. With the current clamp down masks out in public are mandatory unless you are exercising. Get caught in public without a mask and you're fined.

I suspect the change in attitude has a lot to do with the supply of masks.

 

[jb03]

D Andrews and the ALP's handling of the Cedar Meat outbreak is/has been schizen. Pretty surprised actually. Shouldn't escape scrutiny.

 

[MD Jazz]

D Andrews and the ALP's handling of the Cedar Meat outbreak is/has been schizen. Pretty surprised actually. Shouldn't escape scrutiny.

Doubt we will see many "likes" of this post

 

[Ridley]

D Andrews and the ALP's handling of the Cedar Meat outbreak is/has been schizen. Pretty surprised actually. Shouldn't escape scrutiny.

Agree. Disappointing as they have been all over it up until this. Victoria was down to very few new cases everyday but this cluster has sent the graph in the wrong direction.

Hopefully they get it under control quickly.

 

[caesar]

Agree. Disappointing as they have been all over it up until this. Victoria was down to very few new cases everyday but this cluster has sent the graph in the wrong direction.

Hopefully they get it under control quickly.

A worker from a Footscray nursing home has tested positive which is linked to her partner who works at Cedar Meats

It comes shortly after a staff member at the Grant Lodge nursing home in Bacchus Marsh tested positive to coronavirus.

Two different nursing homes within a short space of time what are the odds of both avoiding an outbreak? can only hope or things could turn deadly.

 

[snags]

Not quite sure if you support school closures or not from the above? Or if my advice is discgraceful? Assume it's the latter, seems a common theme on this thread.

And not sure where you read the above, do you have a link?

An interesting article about the Italian experience. It's clear there are multiple factors involved in both severity of infections and deaths.

Lessons from Italy's COVID-19 pandemic underscore the need for more research

A new viewpoint article published in the journal JAMA Internal Medicine dissects different factors that contributed to the dire COVID-19 situation in Italy, emphasizing several aspects relevant to the international healthcare community.

www.news-medical.net

Sorry mate I reckon the Swiss scientist's advice was disgraceful. Without solid proof either way he should be showing duty of care and a more cautious approach.
I don't disagree with you on having a more balanced view. Australia is certainly entering that period where the broader discussions need to start regarding opening schools and the economy. I'd side with the Vic cautious approach here.

I'll search around for the article on Italian kids infecting their GPs. It was only an anecdotal piece.

 

[MD Jazz]

Sorry mate I reckon the Swiss scientist's advice was disgraceful. Without solid proof either way he should be showing duty of care and a more cautious approach.
I don't disagree with you on having a more balanced view. Australia is certainly entering that period where the broader discussions need to start regarding opening schools and the economy. I'd side with the Vic cautious approach here.

I'll search around for the article on Italian kids infecting their GPs. It was only an anecdotal piece.

The issue is the bloke is the countries top advisor on this. Whether you like the advice or not surely he must be shown an element of respect?

Hopefully the conversations around reduced restrictions continue. Utimately it should be coming down to some personal responsibility. Don't get your parents/grandparents involved in child minding. Shop for them. Don't involve them in schools pickups etc. I mean people are getting by now without their help. Keep them isolated but let the rest of the community start to get back to work. Outbreaks will happen but hopefully we are well prepared for such occurrences. I think we will be much more agile in reacting.

 

[Coburgtiger]

D Andrews and the ALP's handling of the Cedar Meat outbreak is/has been schizen. Pretty surprised actually. Shouldn't escape scrutiny.

Oh my god.

People really don't get it. We do not currently have the infrastructure to track and trace outbreaks.

Our testing and quarantine measures are currently not there. This is why Dan Andrews wants to keep severe restrictions in place.

People have been getting more and more lax about social distancing, self isolation and staying home, because of this false sense of security that it's all getting better.

Again, this is why Dan wants to keep restrictions in place. We cannot stop these outbreaks. It's an incredibly infectious, mostly silent disease that has spread through pretty much every population on the planet. We are still not there with testing. We're getting better but not there. It was a fluke we even caught the first case at the meat packing plant when we did.

The same people here who are saying we should be playing golf and opening schools are the ones saying Dan should have dealt with this better?

WTF? While we ramp up testing and tracking we currently only have one measure we can use. Stay the *smile* home.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

Oh my god.

People really don't get it. We do not currently have the infrastructure to track and trace outbreaks.

Our testing and quarantine measures are currently not there. This is why Dan Andrews wants to keep severe restrictions in place.

People have been getting more and more lax about social distancing, self isolation and staying home, because of this false sense of security that it's all getting better.

Again, this is why Dan wants to keep restrictions in place. We cannot stop these outbreaks. It's an incredibly infectious, mostly silent disease that has spread through pretty much every population on the planet. We are still not there with testing. We're getting better but not there. It was a fluke we even caught the first case at the meat packing plant when we did.

The same people here who are saying we should be playing golf and opening schools are the ones saying Dan should have dealt with this better?

WTF? While we ramp up testing and tracking we currently only have one measure we can use. Stay the **** home.

Why do you think we "aren't there yet" with testing? What is the hold up?

 

[KnightersRevenge]

The page linked has a 25 minute video interview with Dr.Judy Mikovits PHD, Molecular Biologist / Medical Researcher. As I took the time to watch the video I certainly didn't come away with the impression that 'the delusional ravings of an anti-vaxxer' applied to Dr. Mikovits at all. Others are certainly free to come to their own conclusions.

The interview is an excerpt from an upcoming documentary which is being made in the USA although it will have an impact globally.

https://plandemicmovie.com/?fbclid=IwAR3ljKkfpUBsazEr1Q3Cyua-nyApo42bhMT_aiolA7pk9sGdHV0vWT4txAw

Dr. Judy Mikovits PhD, for your consideration:


Snopes has had a look at the good Dr.


Vaccine Scientist Jailed

Here's a bit of the conclusion:

"Therefore, Mikovits’ speculative claims linking her research to vaccine science, drawing the ire of “Big Pharma” and the “Deep State”, and her subsequent arrest are not rooted in science or reality. But although she may have lost the support of the scientific community, she appears to have found a new home in the pseudoscientific conspiracy world."

 

[Brodders17]

D Andrews and the ALP's handling of the Cedar Meat outbreak is/has been schizen. Pretty surprised actually. Shouldn't escape scrutiny.

what role should the premier play in the handling of a Covid case?
i would have thought there would be a specialist department within the health department responsible for the response.

 

[Tigers of Old]

D Andrews and the ALP's handling of the Cedar Meat outbreak is/has been schizen. Pretty surprised actually. Shouldn't escape scrutiny.

Did you read this jimbob?

The Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) confirmed the first case linked to the business was diagnosed on April 2, but said the worker had not been at Cedar Meats for four weeks so the abattoir was not considered an exposure site.

DHHS said the second and third cases linked to the workplace were diagnosed on April 24 and 26, and were the first indication of a possible cluster.

Professor Sutton said contact tracers were investigating whether the cluster was due to some employees being part of a close-knit community outside of work.

Coronavirus cluster at Melbourne meatworks grows as aged care homes in lockdown

A cluster of coronavirus cases at a Melbourne meatworks rises to 49, as two Victorian aged care homes go into lockdown after workers test positive to the virus.

www.abc.net.au

Not saying it's been handled brilliantly but if the contagion happened outside of work that would go some way to explaining it. Covid is very infectious & some aren't even aware they have it.

 

[Coburgtiger]

Why do you think we "aren't there yet" with testing? What is the hold up?

We still have cases of unknown origin.

That means it's still moving in ways that we aren't aware of. And if there's some we're not aware of, then there's more we're not aware of.

We've done 80000 tests this week. No other state has managed something like that. It's a good start. We've picked up some we wouldn't have.

If we do another 100000 tests next week, only finding cases of known positive contacts who are all quarantined, I'd say we're there.

 

[jb03]

Did you read this jimbob?

The Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) confirmed the first case linked to the business was diagnosed on April 2, but said the worker had not been at Cedar Meats for four weeks so the abattoir was not considered an exposure site.

DHHS said the second and third cases linked to the workplace were diagnosed on April 24 and 26, and were the first indication of a possible cluster.

Professor Sutton said contact tracers were investigating whether the cluster was due to some employees being part of a close-knit community outside of work.

Coronavirus cluster at Melbourne meatworks grows as aged care homes in lockdown

A cluster of coronavirus cases at a Melbourne meatworks rises to 49, as two Victorian aged care homes go into lockdown after workers test positive to the virus.

www.abc.net.au

Not saying it's been handled brilliantly but if the contagion happened outside of work that would go some way to explaining it. Covid is very infectious & some aren't even aware they have it.

It is there job to be on top of it. We praise them when they are, and we can whack them when they aren't. As as been stated a lot Andrews on the whole has done a very good job, Grand Prix aside; but he has a habit of secrecy when things are not necessarily to plan.

 

[Tigers of Old]

US Marines will be allowed into Australia's Top End under strict coronavirus rules

Initially postponed due to coronavirus, the deployment of US Marines to the Top End is back on, but questions remain about how many are coming, when they'll arrive or where they'll be treated if any contract COVID-19.

www.abc.net.au

 

[jb03]

US Marines will be allowed into Australia's Top End under strict coronavirus rules

Initially postponed due to coronavirus, the deployment of US Marines to the Top End is back on, but questions remain about how many are coming, when they'll arrive or where they'll be treated if any contract COVID-19.

www.abc.net.au

Need the Albury City Council to step in

 

[MD Jazz]

what role should the premier play in the handling of a Covid case?
i would have thought there would be a specialist department within the health department responsible for the response.

Agree. And Dan is busy writing letters.

note to self, never ever ever ever question Dan.

 

[DavidSSS]

We still have cases of unknown origin.

That means it's still moving in ways that we aren't aware of. And if there's some we're not aware of, then there's more we're not aware of.

We've done 80000 tests this week. No other state has managed something like that. It's a good start. We've picked up some we wouldn't have.

If we do another 100000 tests next week, only finding cases of known positive contacts who are all quarantined, I'd say we're there.

Always remember, more people died of the Spanish Flu the second time it went around.

Let's not make the same mistake 100 years later.

DS

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Case count (6am)

3,798,381 cases
262,992 deaths (6.92%)
48,227 severe (1%)
2,204,279 mild (58%)
1,282,883 recovered (34%)