Coronavirus

[scottyturnerscurse]

One of few silver linings to come out of the virus is that maybe the Gulf states and Singapore (and a few other places) are seeing the unintended consequences of housing thousands of men in dormitories.

Will they change? Probably not.

 

[tigerdell]

One of few silver linings to come out of the virus is that maybe the Gulf states and Singapore (and a few other places) are seeing the unintended consequences of housing thousands of men in dormitories.

Will they change? Probably not.

sadly not Scotty, there will always be more poor folk from other countries

 

[tigerdell]

Are you across all the medical advice the federal gov't is receiving? You do understand states are acting independently on a range of matters? Are they cherry-picking medical advice or??

The federal gov't will cop criticism from left wing nutjobs no matter what they do (and right-wing nut jobs as well for not relaxing measures quick enough) and the state labour gov't's will cop criticism from right-wing nutjobs no matter what they do. It's how people generally operate.

It's been funny watching/reading left-wing types battle to offer faint praise to sco-mo. They are getting sick of it so get ready for an avalanche of criticism as soon as he releases the brakes. Same goes for Andrews. The right-wing brigade have had enough.

Whilst I disagree with some state based rules in general both the federal and state gov't's have done well. But the party faithful are restless so don't expect to read too much bi-partisan support soon. It was nice while it lasted though.

Jazz the way I see it the majority of criticism for the PM isnt based on politics, just simply on expectations of a leader.
That was true about the criticism for the fires, and true about the early response. In short he waivered and took short steps. Good on him for presiding over a successful effort overall.

The main critique at the outset was the early acts that were halfarsed - stop chinese immigration but allow chinese students to come en masse and live within homes (but somehow self isolate)
And then a shutdown that starts in 4 days and not immediately, but after religious and sports gatherings.... With multiple examples by then of outbreaks in other countries.
State leaders also responsible but the PM takes the biggest hit.
These decisions seem illogical as if he wants to have it both ways

 

[tigerdell]

There was a lot of talk early on about how well NZ have done and how Australia were slow to react in comparison. Well as of now per capita, NZ has more cases and deaths than Australia. NZ has done a great job but so has Australia. The source of the majority of transmissions are accounted for so I understand why the governments are now considering relaxing rules. Obviously we have to remain very diligent but it's not luck that we are where we are now. I think both governments and the community as a whole have done a great job.

Still think Aus was very lucky early days with the sports and religious gatherings.
There were major clusterfcks in sth korea, iran and france with evangelical singsongs, and in Italy, spain for soccer.

The virus was pinging around the world in early march and it could easily have blown up in aus.

 

[TT33]

You do understand he is following medical advice?

it doesn’t really matter what he does the left wing will crucify him.

I do understand "medical advice" I also understand tha NSW schools are closed too. Isn't NSW Govt Liberal.
They're following medical advice too.

 

[MD Jazz]

Still think Aus was very lucky early days with the sports and religious gatherings.
There were major clusterfcks in sth korea, iran and france with evangelical singsongs, and in Italy, spain for soccer.

The virus was pinging around the world in early march and it could easily have blown up in aus.

We were lucky. Scomo got it wrong with his footy comment and not shutting down immediately and allowing the weekend gatherings to proceed. But the luckiest of all was VIC. Hosting 80K at the MCG for a cricket match in March and proceeding with a grand prix (that would have had 300,000 mingling) that was only derailed by drivers/teams.

The challenge will be releasing the brakes. Let's hope we continue to get collaboration at state and federal levels.

 

[MD Jazz]

I do understand "medical advice" I also understand tha NSW schools are closed too. Isn't NSW Govt Liberal.
They're following medical advice too.

Correct. They all have their own medical officers.

So is it scomo's fault that the medical advice appears to differ between states/federal etc?

This is where party loyalty shows it's true colours.

 

[taztiger4]

Had to visit Coles Vic Gardens on Saturday, the line to get in was about 200m long,
Heading the opposite direction but in the same centre open area the line to get into Ikea was also about 200m long.

WTF is essential about buying crap Swedish *smile* ?

 

[MD Jazz]

Had to visit Coles Vic Gardens on Saturday, the line to get in was about 200m long,
Heading the opposite direction but in the same centre open area the line to get into Ikea was also about 200m long.

WTF is essential about buying crap Swedish *smile* ?

What's essential about going to the supermarket when you can order online?

 

[taztiger4]

What's essential about going to the supermarket when you can order online?

GAGF , we had run out of my 10yo coeliac daughter's pasta & couldn't wait 4 days for the delivery.

 

[MD Jazz]

GAGF , we had run out of my 10yo coeliac daughter's pasta & couldn't wait 4 days for the delivery.

Nice.

Perhaps people also have legitimate reasons for buying furniture?

You also understand that it keeps people employed?

 

[taztiger4]

Nice.

Perhaps people also have legitimate reasons for buying furniture?

You also understand that it keeps people employed?

I've got a legitimate reason to go to a multitude of places, dont mean its essential

And yes I am well aware on how the economy works thanks

 

[eZyT]

WTF is essential about buying crap Swedish *smile* ?

well how the hell do you suggest we get through this crisis without a blöorg or a drkaål?

 

[MD Jazz]

I've got a legitimate reason to go to a multitude of places, dont mean its essential

And yes I am well aware on how the economy works thanks

How do you know getting some furniture isn't essential? People have to sleep....

The more places that stay open the better overall. Isn't it all about risk? If you observe some distance, wash your hands, don't touch your face etc the risks are pretty low when going to shops.

 

[Giardiasis]

GAGF , we had run out of my 10yo coeliac daughter's pasta & couldn't wait 4 days for the delivery.

So now Grandma and Grandpa will die because you didn't plan your shopping better. It is essential that you plan better

 

[taztiger4]

How do you know getting some furniture isn't essential? People have to sleep....

The more places that stay open the better overall. Isn't it all about risk? If you observe some distance, wash your hands, don't touch your face etc the risks are pretty low when going to shops.

Not sure how many people buy beds from Ikea ...............

Ok, we will agree to disagree

 

[Giardiasis]

How do you know getting some furniture isn't essential? People have to sleep....

The more places that stay open the better overall. Isn't it all about risk? If you observe some distance, wash your hands, don't touch your face etc the risks are pretty low when going to shops.

You've changed your tune? Weren't you promoting full blown lockdown earlier? Suggesting otherwise was "magical" type thinking wasn't it?

 

[MD Jazz]

Not sure how many people buy beds from Ikea ...............

Ok, we will agree to disagree

Not much is essential other than food. If you apply the ikea logic all round Bunnings, JB Hi Fi etc would not be open. And we would all order online.

If you try and observe some distance, wash your hands, don't touch your face, don't go out if sick etc and have some courtesy when sneezing and coughing most activiyies are reasonably low risk. It would appear being in an enclosed space for a period of time with an infected person is where the greatest risk lies.

 

[MD Jazz]

You've changed your tune? Weren't you promoting full blown lockdown earlier? Suggesting otherwise was "magical" type thinking wasn't it?

I've changed a little. Never endorsed the NZ style lockdown. Think to have proceeded under your everything stay open policy would have seen US/UK style infection rates and deaths etc. And they have those numbers despite going to restrictions after a short period of business as usual. Imagine if they continued without restrictions? I just can't see how it would not have been a disaster if the restrictions were not applied? Can you?

And we cannot rely on the masses using common sense. But it is definitely time to start considering some changes for the benefit of most Australians. I think people are much more aware of their responsibilty in trying to limit the infection spreading and will behave differently when out.

 

[caesar]

Same, I really don't see what people are worried about.

If you carry or use a smart phone then your privacy is stuffed anyway.

Agree Big R, have downloaded the Covid tracking app.

Strange that the same people that are happy to use Google, Facebook, Twitter etc are quick to jump to a conspiracy theory when it comes to a MEDICAL app, designed to help save lives and keep Covid in check, just because it is a Gov't undertaking.