Damn. That is one serious karma burn. I truly hope he enjoyed the approximately 2 weeks of "living his life" before he became too sick to do anything.
Don't be stupid people. If you can't make the choice for yourself, do it for your family.
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Don't be stupid people. If you can't make the choice for yourself, do it for your family.
Thanks for the continued updates LTRTR.
Doing some googling I discovered the CDC site.
I knew that unless tested for the Corona virus not all COVID-19 deaths were being counted. But I was surprised at how many deaths had been classified as having died from pneumonia and influenza.
I have no doubt that the COVID-19 deaths are a lot higher than being stated.
Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
National Center for Health Statisticswww.cdc.gov
It would be interesting to see those stats against the same weeks in 2019.
I'd be somewhat skeptical about things taken from social media.
This sort of stuff is all over social media as *smile* taking.
Apparently Russia are putting a lot down as pneumonia rather than CV and it was noticed by comparing numbers for the same period last year. Mortality rate of 0.86% is a standout among countries with 10K infections or more (Australia is 1.07%).
Yeah I can imagine some manipulation of figures is going on. Its a bit like cancer, not many technically die of the cancer, the cancer just smashes the body so hard that most die of something else. Seems a bit like Covid, Covid is what weakens you and the pneumonia kills you.
Sams leading the way. It’s mostly middle class boomer men unhappy that they are missing out on something, their privilege shall not be denied. I’ve given you the logic, it’s a sport those at risk, elderly golfers make up the most of midweek golf, would gather to play. You don’t like that logic champ.
Massive land border with China, terrible public services, history of disinformation, there is just no chance this thing isn't ravaging the Ruskies.
There were 49,157 deaths in the USA from pneumonia in 2017, and 47455 from the 1st of February to the 18th of April this year. So there was almost as many deaths in just over 2 months this year as there were in all of 2017.
A large number assessed as dying from pneumonia in the 2 and a half months from February to March must have died without being tested for COVID-19, most probably when there was a shortage of test kits.
I wonder how would Trump explain that.
FastStats
FastStats is an official application from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) and puts access to topic-specific statistics at your fingertips.
www.cdc.gov
fake news.There were 49,157 deaths in the USA from pneumonia in 2017, and 47455 from the 1st of February to the 18th of April this year. So there was almost as many deaths in just over 2 months this year as there were in all of 2017.
A large number assessed as dying from pneumonia in the 2 and a half months from February to March must have died without being tested for COVID-19, most probably when there was a shortage of test kits.
I wonder how would Trump explain that.
FastStats
FastStats is an official application from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) and puts access to topic-specific statistics at your fingertips.
He'd take credit for the 2017 numbers and blame this years deaths on Obama/Democrats/CNN/WHO/Rosie O'DonnellThere were 49,157 deaths in the USA from pneumonia in 2017, and 47455 from the 1st of February to the 18th of April this year. So there was almost as many deaths in just over 2 months this year as there were in all of 2017.
A large number assessed as dying from pneumonia in the 2 and a half months from February to March must have died without being tested for COVID-19, most probably when there was a shortage of test kits.
I wonder how would Trump explain that.
FastStats
FastStats is an official application from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) and puts access to topic-specific statistics at your fingertips.
Alarming new research on how COVID-19 spreads (paywalled)
Sue Dunlevy
Herald Sun
April 21, 2020
The rule that Australians keep 1.5 metres distant from each other to stop the spread of COVID-19 is under question with new research showing droplets of virus can travel up to 8 metres.
And researchers are warning medical staff are being incorrectly told surgical masks are enough to protect them from infection when the research now suggests a P2 respirator mask is needed.
Researchers from the University NSW and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) examined multiple studies on the distance travelled by respiratory droplets to reach the conclusions.
They found “the available scientific evidence does not support the assumption that contamination from symptomatic patients would only occur within a 1-2m safe distance”.
In 10 studies reviewed by the authors on the distance travelled by droplets from various types of exhalations, eight found that they travelled more than 2m and up to 8m from the person emitting them.
UNSW’s Professor Raina MacIntyre, head of the Biosecurity Program at the Kirby Institute, says that the study has implications for guidelines on social distancing.
“Up until now it has been assumed that the large droplets expelled from exhalations fall to the ground quickly,” she said.
“The guidance we are given for social distancing of 1.5 metres is based on the belief that 1-2 metres is a safe distance to avoid being sprayed by large droplets and that these droplets would be the main emissions containing the virus and able to cause disease,” she said.
“But the body of evidence shows that droplets can be expelled further than 2m. Smaller particles that can’t be seen or felt may remain suspended in a “cloud” and then carried for hours in ambient air, so they can end up travelling much longer distances.”
In the US health experts have been calling on people to wear masks to protect themselves from the virus while Australia’s chief medical officers have advised against this as they try to preserve available personal protective equipment like masks for health workers.
UNSW Engineering’s Professor Con Doolan says the new findings also have implications for the type of masks health professionals are told to wear to protect themselves from the virus.
Thousands of health workers around the world and in Australia have become infected with the virus.
Currently Australian doctors are told flimsy surgical masks are adequate protection for most situations.
“We really don’t know how the droplets interact with surgical masks and until we understand that, then we should be using respirator masks,” Professor Doolan said.
Professor MacIntyre said if the evidence suggests droplets can travel further than 2m, then “the air inside a standard hospital room could be contaminated beyond that distance”.
“Given the high case fatality rate and documented deaths of health workers from COVID-19, the ‘precautionary principle’ and use of a respirator is warranted,” she said.
Professor Lydia Bourouiba, from MIT said there was evidence virus droplets can hang in the air and travel in a gas turbulent cloud making it hard to distinguish between droplet versus airborne transmission.
“This means the virus can have an extended range of contamination in the air compared to the short-range, surface-only contamination assumed from current definitions of the droplet route of transmission,” she said.
“Taken together with evidence of possible persistence of infectiousness of the virus for a few hours in laboratory conditions, the study calls for greater precautions with clear implications for protection of health care workers.”
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If I'd known this earlier I certainly wouldn't have queued for 40 minutes to buy computer equipment on Saturday. As it was I nearly turned around and went home after a 50-minute drive before watching for a minute and being satisfied that the 1.5m was being observed. Nobody coughed or sneezed but now it seems I took a needless risk, even if I hadn't left the house in a fortnight apart from late-night walks.
Had wondered about windy days also... windows up in the car from now on!
Sue Dunlevy
Herald Sun
April 21, 2020
The rule that Australians keep 1.5 metres distant from each other to stop the spread of COVID-19 is under question with new research showing droplets of virus can travel up to 8 metres.
And researchers are warning medical staff are being incorrectly told surgical masks are enough to protect them from infection when the research now suggests a P2 respirator mask is needed.
Researchers from the University NSW and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) examined multiple studies on the distance travelled by respiratory droplets to reach the conclusions.
They found “the available scientific evidence does not support the assumption that contamination from symptomatic patients would only occur within a 1-2m safe distance”.
In 10 studies reviewed by the authors on the distance travelled by droplets from various types of exhalations, eight found that they travelled more than 2m and up to 8m from the person emitting them.
UNSW’s Professor Raina MacIntyre, head of the Biosecurity Program at the Kirby Institute, says that the study has implications for guidelines on social distancing.
“Up until now it has been assumed that the large droplets expelled from exhalations fall to the ground quickly,” she said.
“The guidance we are given for social distancing of 1.5 metres is based on the belief that 1-2 metres is a safe distance to avoid being sprayed by large droplets and that these droplets would be the main emissions containing the virus and able to cause disease,” she said.
“But the body of evidence shows that droplets can be expelled further than 2m. Smaller particles that can’t be seen or felt may remain suspended in a “cloud” and then carried for hours in ambient air, so they can end up travelling much longer distances.”
In the US health experts have been calling on people to wear masks to protect themselves from the virus while Australia’s chief medical officers have advised against this as they try to preserve available personal protective equipment like masks for health workers.
UNSW Engineering’s Professor Con Doolan says the new findings also have implications for the type of masks health professionals are told to wear to protect themselves from the virus.
Thousands of health workers around the world and in Australia have become infected with the virus.
Currently Australian doctors are told flimsy surgical masks are adequate protection for most situations.
“We really don’t know how the droplets interact with surgical masks and until we understand that, then we should be using respirator masks,” Professor Doolan said.
Professor MacIntyre said if the evidence suggests droplets can travel further than 2m, then “the air inside a standard hospital room could be contaminated beyond that distance”.
“Given the high case fatality rate and documented deaths of health workers from COVID-19, the ‘precautionary principle’ and use of a respirator is warranted,” she said.
Professor Lydia Bourouiba, from MIT said there was evidence virus droplets can hang in the air and travel in a gas turbulent cloud making it hard to distinguish between droplet versus airborne transmission.
“This means the virus can have an extended range of contamination in the air compared to the short-range, surface-only contamination assumed from current definitions of the droplet route of transmission,” she said.
“Taken together with evidence of possible persistence of infectiousness of the virus for a few hours in laboratory conditions, the study calls for greater precautions with clear implications for protection of health care workers.”
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If I'd known this earlier I certainly wouldn't have queued for 40 minutes to buy computer equipment on Saturday. As it was I nearly turned around and went home after a 50-minute drive before watching for a minute and being satisfied that the 1.5m was being observed. Nobody coughed or sneezed but now it seems I took a needless risk, even if I hadn't left the house in a fortnight apart from late-night walks.
Had wondered about windy days also... windows up in the car from now on!
Scott Morrison meets Bill Gates as UK death toll soars (paywalled ?)
Sue Dunlevy
Herald Sun
April 21, 2020
Scott Morrison has discussed the future of the World Health Organisation with one of its biggest donors.
The Prime Minister spoke with Bill Gates on Tuesday, just days after the Microsoft founder and philanthropist used a global broadcast organised by Lady Gaga to appeal for support for the embattled global health body.
Mr Morrison and Mr Gates are also understood to have discussed vaccines and the Indo-Pacific’s health challenges.
The Gates Foundation is one of the WHO’s biggest voluntary donors, providing $836 million over the past two years.
Mr Gates has been publicly critical of a decision by US President Donald Trump to suspend his country’s funding for the WHO.
The US is the largest donor to the WHO, providing more than $631 million in 2019 - about 15 per cent of its budget.
“Halting funding for the World Health Organisation during a world health crisis is as dangerous as it sounds,” Mr Gates tweeted recently.
“Their work is slowing the spread of COVID-19 and if that work is stopped no other organisation can replace them.” Mr Trump has argued the WHO failed to adequately “obtain, vet and share information” in a timely and transparent way, leaving a global trail of death and destruction.
Mr Morrison recently expressed some sympathy for Mr Trump’s criticisms, pointing to the way Australia pre-emptively declared a pandemic before the WHO. Australia has worked closely with the WHO for more than seven decades.
Former PM Kevin Rudd said earlier that the WHO’s “powers” are restricted to “assembling technical information, pointing to the existence of a pandemic, providing international notifications of the same and helping to build capacity to deal with those as we saw with ebola in poor countries”.
Mr Rudd suggested it may be time to attach sanctions to regimes that ignore future WHO directions.
WHO CONTINUES TO DEFEND CHINA
The World Health Organisation conceded its handling of the COVID-19 pandemic must be reviewed, as it continued to defend the way China handled the virus.
The regional director of the World Health Organisation (WHO) in the Pacific Dr Takeshi Kasai told a public briefing its expert committee had initially been divided on whether to declare the disease outbreak a public health emergency.
However, he said the organisation had been in constant contact with China after it revealed it had an outbreak of a cluster of pneumonia cases of unknown cause.
“We as organisations, we try our best to, as quickly as possible and then as transparently as possible to respond to these diseases but we have to review later and we need to be evaluated later,” he said.
The concession came as Prime Minister Scott Morrison has backed an independent international inquiry into the origins of coronavirus while claiming it would not be a criticism of China.
“Such an inquiry is important and we can respectively have a difference of view,” Mr Morrison said in Canberra.
“So it’s not pursued as an issue of criticism, it’s pursued as an issue of importance for public health,” he said.
The WHO has come in for major criticism for being too slow to act and US President Donald Trump has withdrawn funding from the body claiming it was too China centric.
President Trump has also called for an investigation into whether the virus escaped from a laboratory in Wuhan in China.
China has also been criticised for initially suppressing information on the spread of the virus and reprimanding doctors who tried to warn authorities about the outbreak, allowing it to spread out of control.
Australia’s Foreign Minister Marise Payne on the weekend called for an independent review into the genesis of the virus and China’s response to it and said the WHO’s role in the pandemic should also be reviewed.
Dr Takeshi defended China’s response to the virus outbreak.
The Chinese Government had responded to the WHO’s inquiries about the cluster of pneumonia cases that signalled the start of the outbreak and had since then had a daily information exchange with the WHO, he said.
“They announced to us this is a new virus and they also shared the sequence of the virus that allowed other parts of the world to set up testing,” he said.
In the last two years Australia provided a total of $US67 million to WHO, well in excess of the $US22.3 million compulsory contribution it was required to provide.
The extra funding supported Australian initiatives to improve health security and development in the Pacific and South East Asia.
Asked whether Australia would join the US in withdrawing funding from the WHO a Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade spokesperson said “the Australian Government supports an independent review of the global coronavirus outbreak”.
This review should consider “the genesis of the epidemic in China, its development into a pandemic, and the World Health Organisation’s response,” the spokesperson said.
“Transparency is essential to the success of this review – everything needs to be on the table. If mistakes were made we must learn from them.”
A spokesperson for Health Minster Greg Hunt said “the Australian Government recognises the important work the World Health Organisation plays in our region on a range of health issues.
"Australia continues to provide funding to the WHO.”
Australia had acted early in its response to the COVID-19 outbreak, based on its own expert medical advisers and the assessment which the National Security Committee of Cabinet made of the risks to Australians, the spokesperson said.
“There was criticism by the WHO of our early border closure with China but our belief is stronger than ever that this decision was fundamental to protecting to Australians,” he said.
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Reading between the lines - bloody *smile* liars. The UN can't survive without the support of the big boys, and if the likes of Aylward have doomed it through incompetence or corruption then so be it.
Sue Dunlevy
Herald Sun
April 21, 2020
Scott Morrison has discussed the future of the World Health Organisation with one of its biggest donors.
The Prime Minister spoke with Bill Gates on Tuesday, just days after the Microsoft founder and philanthropist used a global broadcast organised by Lady Gaga to appeal for support for the embattled global health body.
Mr Morrison and Mr Gates are also understood to have discussed vaccines and the Indo-Pacific’s health challenges.
The Gates Foundation is one of the WHO’s biggest voluntary donors, providing $836 million over the past two years.
Mr Gates has been publicly critical of a decision by US President Donald Trump to suspend his country’s funding for the WHO.
The US is the largest donor to the WHO, providing more than $631 million in 2019 - about 15 per cent of its budget.
“Halting funding for the World Health Organisation during a world health crisis is as dangerous as it sounds,” Mr Gates tweeted recently.
“Their work is slowing the spread of COVID-19 and if that work is stopped no other organisation can replace them.” Mr Trump has argued the WHO failed to adequately “obtain, vet and share information” in a timely and transparent way, leaving a global trail of death and destruction.
Mr Morrison recently expressed some sympathy for Mr Trump’s criticisms, pointing to the way Australia pre-emptively declared a pandemic before the WHO. Australia has worked closely with the WHO for more than seven decades.
Former PM Kevin Rudd said earlier that the WHO’s “powers” are restricted to “assembling technical information, pointing to the existence of a pandemic, providing international notifications of the same and helping to build capacity to deal with those as we saw with ebola in poor countries”.
Mr Rudd suggested it may be time to attach sanctions to regimes that ignore future WHO directions.
WHO CONTINUES TO DEFEND CHINA
The World Health Organisation conceded its handling of the COVID-19 pandemic must be reviewed, as it continued to defend the way China handled the virus.
The regional director of the World Health Organisation (WHO) in the Pacific Dr Takeshi Kasai told a public briefing its expert committee had initially been divided on whether to declare the disease outbreak a public health emergency.
However, he said the organisation had been in constant contact with China after it revealed it had an outbreak of a cluster of pneumonia cases of unknown cause.
“We as organisations, we try our best to, as quickly as possible and then as transparently as possible to respond to these diseases but we have to review later and we need to be evaluated later,” he said.
The concession came as Prime Minister Scott Morrison has backed an independent international inquiry into the origins of coronavirus while claiming it would not be a criticism of China.
“Such an inquiry is important and we can respectively have a difference of view,” Mr Morrison said in Canberra.
“So it’s not pursued as an issue of criticism, it’s pursued as an issue of importance for public health,” he said.
The WHO has come in for major criticism for being too slow to act and US President Donald Trump has withdrawn funding from the body claiming it was too China centric.
President Trump has also called for an investigation into whether the virus escaped from a laboratory in Wuhan in China.
China has also been criticised for initially suppressing information on the spread of the virus and reprimanding doctors who tried to warn authorities about the outbreak, allowing it to spread out of control.
Australia’s Foreign Minister Marise Payne on the weekend called for an independent review into the genesis of the virus and China’s response to it and said the WHO’s role in the pandemic should also be reviewed.
Dr Takeshi defended China’s response to the virus outbreak.
The Chinese Government had responded to the WHO’s inquiries about the cluster of pneumonia cases that signalled the start of the outbreak and had since then had a daily information exchange with the WHO, he said.
“They announced to us this is a new virus and they also shared the sequence of the virus that allowed other parts of the world to set up testing,” he said.
In the last two years Australia provided a total of $US67 million to WHO, well in excess of the $US22.3 million compulsory contribution it was required to provide.
The extra funding supported Australian initiatives to improve health security and development in the Pacific and South East Asia.
Asked whether Australia would join the US in withdrawing funding from the WHO a Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade spokesperson said “the Australian Government supports an independent review of the global coronavirus outbreak”.
This review should consider “the genesis of the epidemic in China, its development into a pandemic, and the World Health Organisation’s response,” the spokesperson said.
“Transparency is essential to the success of this review – everything needs to be on the table. If mistakes were made we must learn from them.”
A spokesperson for Health Minster Greg Hunt said “the Australian Government recognises the important work the World Health Organisation plays in our region on a range of health issues.
"Australia continues to provide funding to the WHO.”
Australia had acted early in its response to the COVID-19 outbreak, based on its own expert medical advisers and the assessment which the National Security Committee of Cabinet made of the risks to Australians, the spokesperson said.
“There was criticism by the WHO of our early border closure with China but our belief is stronger than ever that this decision was fundamental to protecting to Australians,” he said.
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Reading between the lines - bloody *smile* liars. The UN can't survive without the support of the big boys, and if the likes of Aylward have doomed it through incompetence or corruption then so be it.
Misinformation is a killer. The Chinese threatened to plunge the US into "the mighty sea of coronavirus" and did just that, along with the rest of the world, while WHO sat on its hands.
Explains the abrupt end to the Australian government's references to WHO statements around the time WHO belatedly declared a pandemic, and its attitudinal about-face regarding the seriousness of the situation.
Explains the abrupt end to the Australian government's references to WHO statements around the time WHO belatedly declared a pandemic, and its attitudinal about-face regarding the seriousness of the situation.
Dunno if this was posted before but this article explains how WHO operates and why it may have been slow:
www.theguardian.com
Caught in a superpower struggle: the inside story of the WHO's response to coronavirus
Caught between the US and China, the world health body has been unable to enforce compliance or information sharing
Case count (updated 11:30pm)
2,580,671 cases
179,069 deaths (6.94%)
57,204 severe (2%)
1,639,626 mild (64%)
704,772 recovered (27%)
2,580,671 cases
179,069 deaths (6.94%)
57,204 severe (2%)
1,639,626 mild (64%)
704,772 recovered (27%)
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So Trump continues to big note how good a job the US is doing, yet the State of Maryland have just bought 500,000 test kits from South Korea
Maryland's first lady capitalizes on her South Korean heritage to secure test kits
Maryland's first lady Yumi Hogan was born in South Korea and became a US citizen in 1994. She not only used her native language to help secure the tests but also helped negotiate the deal.
cnnphilippines.com
Wow. You've obviously never played at Westgate.
Again, no evidence to support your rant, that diatribe shows you've never stepped on a golf course.
some people might claim the US are terrorists for importing medical supplies from other countries that may need them.So Trump continues to big note how good a job the US is doing, yet the State of Maryland have just bought 500,000 test kits from South Korea
