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A good handle? Let's face it, the only thing he thinks about is TV ratings and whether he looks good or not relative to Obama or whatever other wacky comparison he wants to make.

It's more basic than that. He'll do whatever he thinks, or his minders think, will help him win the next election.

He's encouraging protests in their misguided quest to open everything up again. Opening it up and he claims credit. If they do open up early and there's a massive increase in cases in that state then he can claim it's the Governors fault for opening early.

A common theme to all his statements is that he's always positioning himself so he gets to take credit for the good, but someone else gets the blame for the bad.
 
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The Premier has it right, We're talking about golf they're talking about morgues, small sacrifice to pay and I'm a golfer.

I do get frustrated though when I see people taking liberties under the guise of allowed exercise but totally flouting social distancing.

On the whole though our numbers are showing we are doing exceptionally well.
 
I happened to turn on and catch all Trump's press conference today. Just unbelievable.

The bizarre desperation of his need for validation, the rambling, constant chip on his shoulder about intelligence, even his posture and his sloppy dress just sap any confidence you have in his ability to lead. I don't think I've ever seen a less inspiring and more inarticulate leader.

When Mike Pence speaks after him he seems like a cross between Churchill, Luther-King and Kennedy, just by being a normal human being with simple competency.
It's mindblowing.
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A good handle? Let's face it, the only thing he thinks about is TV ratings and whether he looks good or not relative to Obama or whatever other wacky comparison he wants to make. He has a bunch of CEOs in his ear about reopening the economy but seems to have no idea about how to synthesise that information with current COVID19 data.

He can't focus on anything for more than 5 minutes at a time. Calling for revolution in democratic states was last week, wonder what counter-productive nonsense he'll pull out of his arse this week.

Meanwhile 40,000 dead in the US - and that's only the official data. And it's only April.
i think Lee was referring to Dan Andrews
 
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This doesn't provide much confidence

This is one thing that I have found baffling. The attachment, by any expert, to the notion that we just need to hold out until we find the vaccine.
Viruses 1,000,000,000 - Human Intervention (forfeit)
 
Man suffers repeated COVID-19 infection, baffling doctors
Adriana Zappavigna
news.com.au
April 19, 2020

Prime Minister Scott Morrison keeps reminding Australians that a large proportion of those who tested positive for COVID-19 have recovered.

But what about reinfection?

A recent case – reported in a Chinese pre-peer-reviewed study on Wednesday – draws on the experience of a 68-year-old man who was reinfected twice after recovering from the virus.

The man (who was also suffering from heart problems) tested positive only to be retested after a few days’ recuperation. His result was negative.

The man returned home only to be retested a little over a week a later. This time, the result was positive. Seven days later, he tested negative again. Then, four days after that, he tested positive again.

The man’s yoyo diagnosis has experts concerned that even with a vaccine, the danger of reinfection could still be dangerously high.

The experience of the man in this case study may not be an isolated occurrence.

In February, reports emerged of a woman in Japan that appeared to have caught the virus again after initially recovering.

There have also been similar reports of possible reinfection emerging from China.

Australia’s very own entertainment reporter Richard Wilkins was among those with fluctuating test results.

Wilkins took to Instagram to give his followers an update on his condition, warning everyone that while he tested positive multiple times, he still hadn’t shown any symptoms.

“I’ve now returned a positive result THREE times,” he wrote alongside a photo of him being tested in his home.

Despite multiple reports of reinfection, some experts remain sceptical.

Professor Jimmy Whitworth from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine suggests these reports were likely due to the way the tests were conducted.

“There have been a few isolated examples where [reinfection] has been reported. That people were positive, then they were negative, then they were positive again,” he said during a recent live Q&A session.

“It looks like, in the great majority of cases, this doesn’t happen. That people get infected once.

“My suspicion is that those discrepant test results that we get are to do with, actually, the sampling. It’s not straightforward to take a sample from the back of the throat and make sure you catch virus every time.”

He said at the moment the predominant thinking is that most people become immune to the virus after getting it but it isn’t clear how long that immunity lasts.

The potential of tests returning false positives must also be considered.

“Reinfection can’t be ruled out, but it’s possible the test is picking up lingering viral material in the cells, even after the virus has been killed,” said Professor Jamie Triccas, head of infectious diseases and immunology at the University of Sydney.

These sentiments were echoed by Senior medical virologist with NSW Health Pathology, Professor William Rawlinson, who said it was too soon to say if reinfection was a feature of the virus.

“Once you have the infection, it could remain dormant and with minimal symptoms, and then you can get an exacerbation if it finds its way into the lungs,” the NYU School of Medicine Professor Philip Tierno, told Reuters.

This is quite concerning to me.
 
This is one thing that I have found baffling. The attachment, by any expert, to the notion that we just need to hold out until we find the vaccine.
Viruses 1,000,000,000 - Human Intervention (forfeit)

Tommy this could be around for some time.

More & more this was man made I believe.

The many types of this virus.
It appears there are different strands.
People ( it appears) get symptoms again.

And so on!
 
The Premier has it right, We're talking about golf they're talking about morgues, small sacrifice to pay and I'm a golfer.

I do get frustrated though when I see people taking liberties under the guise of allowed exercise but totally flouting social distancing.

On the whole though our numbers are showing we are doing exceptionally well.

Again, no logical argument just some fear/guilt mongering. I support the lockdown but can see no logical reason for the VIC stance.

Golf Australia “now satisfied that golf can be played at minimal risk”

April 17, 2020


Golf Australia has updated its position on whether golf can be played in Australia during the COVID-19 epidemic.
In a statement published on their website today, Golf Australia is recommending that golf can be played in Australia during the coronavirus epidemic “under strict and specific safety protocols – enforced by state and territory guidelines as well as individual club rules.”
 
I see Dan Andrews as being akin to a premiership coach at the moment. While you are having success you get to say it is because I say it is and it's hard to argue.

I still don't think Hardwick is a good tactical coach but he has two flags so I can GAGF. When Dan rolls out with one new case in 24 hours he is entitled to say the same to golfers, fisherman and anyone else not happy with his restrictions.

And SA with no new cases but golf being played? And ACT the same? The rest of the country is playing, is VIC some standout in actual case numbers or new cases or deaths?

I'd be OK if there were stats to support the stance but there isn't.
 
And SA with no new cases but golf being played? And ACT the same? The rest of the country is playing, is VIC some standout in actual case numbers or new cases or deaths?

I'd be OK if there were stats to support the stance but there isn't.
i am glad you are determined to get answers. i think the golf question is the most important one at this time, and Andrews should be spending his time resolving it.
once sorted he can then move onto allowing croquet clubs to re-open, and badminton.

then he can return to trivial issues like people's jobs and health.
 
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Trump is the king of spin. Talks about most tests, well he's correct there, partly because they have one of the biggest populations.

On a per capita or per million people they are well down the list. Their cases per million people is 18th in the world. Hardly something to crow about and this is also impacted by cases in very small nations reporting a high rate / million (ie. Vatican City, Andorra etc). If you factor it to decent sized countries, then they have the 7th highest cases per million people in the world. They also have one of the highest positive test rates in the world. Belgium I think is the worst at 25% (UK is pretty close) but the US is not far behind at 19.9%. I suspect all those with high test rates have much wider outbreaks than they can show at the moment. For example, Italys I believe was a lot higher but is now down to 13.5% as testing has increased. Germany is at 8.3%.

Pulled this from the website I use to provide a picture of hardest hit European nations and added in the US and Australia for good measure. Interesting that here we have almost done the same number of tests as the UK and France.

SpainUSABelgiumItalyUKGermanyFranceSwitzerlandAustralia
Tests 930,230 3,722,209 153,778 1,305,833 460,437 1,728,357 463,662 216,400 420,996
Positive 195,944 738,923 38,496 175,925 114,217 143,724 151,793 27,404 6,606
21.1%
19.9%
25.0%
13.5%
24.8%
8.3%
32.7%
12.7%
1.6%
Tests / million 19,896 11,245 13,269 21,598 6,783 20,629 7,103 25,004 16,510
2 random figures i have seen/heard without corroboration- 3 out of 4 Guatamalan refugees who are being returned from the states have tested positive, and a study was done in Santa Clara county in California and:
The study estimated that 2.49% to 4.16% of people in Santa Clara Country had been infected with Covid-19 by April 1. This represents between 48,000 and 81,000 people, which is 50 to 85 times what county officials recorded by that date: 956 confirmed cases.
 
i am glad you are determined to get answers. i think the golf question is the most important one at this time, and Andrews should be spending his time resolving it.
once sorted he can then move onto allowing croquet clubs to re-open, and badminton.

then he can return to trivial issues like people's jobs and health.
Yeh, that's what I meant. You're right difficult to handle more than one thing at a time, lets let lucky Dan continue to lead the way.
 
Love playing golf but couldn't give a *smile* if I can't if health experts suggest it's not the right thing to do for a couple of months.
The whinging is just so selfish. First world problems to the extreme.

Re the vaccine for a coronavirus Dr Fauci said they were well on the way to developing one for SARS but then the disease disappeared so they stopped the research.

He was a lot less confident this one will disappear though. His call of 12-18 months to develop a vccine has been seen buy some as extremely optomistic just the same.
 
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Yeh, that's what I meant. You're right difficult to handle more than one thing at a time, lets let lucky Dan continue to lead the way.
Fighting sarcasm with sarcasm. :cool:

While i am sure an argument could be mounted that golf could be safe, i am sure the same could apply to lawn bowls and croquet. And cafes with in door dining with controlled numbers, likewise pubs, and open air concerts, and footy, or soccer, clubs training, or galleries opening, or musuems, or cinemas, or any number of activities.
But the more people who are out and about, traveling to different places, parking in the same carpark, using the toilets, buying fuel etc, the more opportunities there is for transmission.
 
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Love playing golf but couldn't give a **** if I can't if health experts suggest it's not the right thing to do for a couple of months.
The whinging is just so selfish. First world problems to the extreme.

Another good argument. I'll just shut up and listen to lucky Dan.