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I heard on the radio this morning that the WHO are supporting the reopening of the wet markets in China (were they ever really shut?). Staggeringly stupid decision if true. It does make you wonder who is pulling the strings at the WHO ( if true)
 
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It's surprising how many people with medical training were downplaying it early on. A mate's mum, who is a retired nurse and an amazing person, wasn't worried about it at all. It's easy to see how politicians might've been caught by surprise when such attitudes were seemingly widespread.

I imagine early attitudes would’ve been considerably less dismissive if the outbreak began in a country more similar to us.

Early opinions for most of us weren’t based on hours of analysis, otherwise I’d expect many of those same people would’ve sung a different tune. Politicians however had all available evidence at hand.
 
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Capitalism to the max.
There’s a god damned pandemic and these money hungry pieces of **** are selling PPE to the highest bidder overseas :mad:

 
I heard on the radio this morning that the WHO are supporting the reopening of the wet markets in China (were they ever really shut?). Staggeringly stupid decision if true. It does make you wonder who is pulling the strings at the WHO ( if true)


 
I heard on the radio this morning that the WHO are supporting the reopening of the wet markets in China (were they ever really shut?). Staggeringly stupid decision if true. It does make you wonder who is pulling the strings at the WHO ( if true)

A wet market is typically where fresh meat, fish, poultry is sold. South Melbourne Market is a wet market. No country will ever close all its wet markets.

The problem in China and other developing countries is that wet markets can also include live animals slaughtered on site - in particular wild animals which is probably the vector that the virus jumped into humans. It's the wild animal/live animal trade here that's the problem.
 
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Singapore's relative relaxed approach seems to have not worked as well as as expected. Infection rates rising consistently with a new record of 386 last night.

We have a problem here in the foreign worker dorms where it seems to be rampant.
Thats terrible. My sense is that the Singaporean maybe somewhat lacking in concern for foreign workers generally. What is the govt, with the son in charge, doing about the problem now?
 
Agree to be skeptical about numbers over Easter, NSW health minister said on one particular day they only did 700 tests when they usually do 4,000 a day.
We the public continue to be told that the virus doesn't take a holiday so why in the hell does testing :mad: .

I reckon the picture we get in 14 days time will be crucial.

Victoria announced today that they are expanding testing so that ANYONE with symptoms can present for a test. Will mean Victorian numbers will surely go up but a positive development that more can be tested.
 
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Thanks Lee. Sorry not sure of the date because of the Australian paywall but interesting that those quotes came from our Federal leaders given the criticism Andrews has copped by some on here re the WC.
No doubt at that point it was mainly Morrison setting the National agenda re sporting events, large crowds etc. given he wanted to go to the rugby league week later.
Anyways as you say all have gotten away with it pretty lightly it seems.

Leadership hey? This was 2 days before the event. Scomo's fault hey?

Andrews was no different to the rest, there is little doubt the financial damage would have been playing a big part in this. And understandably. But lets not think Andrews is any different to any other politician.

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Premier Daniel Andrews says he is following the Chief Health Officer's advice in allowing the Grand Prix to go ahead in Melbourne this weekend.
"It is about proportionate responses," Mr Andrews said.
"The advice is that it is not proportionate to cancel that event, or any other event at this stage."
The State Government says their advice is that large-scale events will be cancelled in Victoria due to the coronavirus at some point in the future.
"I freely acknowledge it is deeply frustrating that I can't tell people exactly when, but things do change rapidly."
 
Thats terrible. My sense is that the Singaporean maybe somewhat lacking in concern for foreign workers generally. What is the govt, with the son in charge, doing about the problem now?

There's only so much they can do. There's about 200k foreign workers living in dorms in Singapore. The large majority being youngish (below 40) and fit (all manual labourers). People with the virus are being constrained to assigned rooms within the dorms as quarantine. Rest of the people are just sitting around. In some ways this might be a test case for herd immunity.

Biggest issue is more an emotional/psychological one. But as long as they keep supplies coming in, medical care and today's most needed commodity (a sim card with credit), it should be manageable. Not ideal, but manageable.
 
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Early opinions for most of us weren’t based on hours of analysis, otherwise I’d expect many of those same people would’ve sung a different tune. Politicians however had all available evidence at hand.

Yes, you do wonder what medical information was available to Federal and State leaders in those early days. There were a number of posters on this site who raised serious concerns very early. I was one of was extremely ignorant and blaise about it.

As you say our leaders really would have been much better informed. Scomo has to take the biggest hit as he is the national leader. But state leaders were culpable too. It is why I am so surprised the grand prix was not cancelled much earlier than it was. Surely the VIC health officer should have known very early in the piece that it was a disaster in waiting? I shudder to think what would have transpired had the drivers/teams not forced the cancellation.

The response since has been pretty commendable from all leaders.
 
There's only so much they can do. There's about 200k foreign workers living in dorms in Singapore. The large majority being youngish (below 40) and fit (all manual labourers). People with the virus are being constrained to assigned rooms within the dorms as quarantine. Rest of the people are just sitting around. In some ways this might be a test case for herd immunity.

Biggest issue is more an emotional/psychological one. But as long as they keep supplies coming in, medical care and today's most needed commodity (a sim card with credit), it should be manageable. Not ideal, but manageable.
I’m a fan of the hawker markets, are they still open?
While it’s only a hunch, I’ve always thought that most of the clientele ate there because of the convenience, and the price made it easier than cooking in their homes.
 

This is a snippet of footage edited by the HK media and released by the HK media to capture your attention with an anti-China headline that they likely intended to achieve all along when setting up the interview.
The WHO official almost certainly ended the call because the journalist couldn’t honour prior interview conditions. He gave her a warning, she persisted with her hunt for an off-topic, anti-China headline. The WHO official probably ended the call because he correctly identified what was happening.

Beyond mere media bias, the sheer bigotry and hatred is shocking. I’ve seen several supposedly well-adjusted HK university students launch animalistic racial tirades on social media about China.

All Chinese or Hong Kong reporting about the other should be viewed through the lens of a dangerous, ongoing Hong Kong / China identity war.
 
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I’m a fan of the hawker markets, are they still open?
While it’s only a hunch, I’ve always thought that most of the clientele ate there because of the convenience, and the price made it easier than cooking in their homes.

Open for takeaway only. Yep. Convenient, cheap, large variety. Often cheaper to eat in a hawker centre than cooking at home
 
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A wet market is typically where fresh meat, fish, poultry is sold. South Melbourne Market is a wet market. No country will ever close all its wet markets.

The problem in China and other developing countries is that wet markets can also include live animals slaughtered on site - in particular wild animals which is probably the vector that the virus jumped into humans. It's the wild animal/live animal trade here that's the problem.
Agreed. And WHO and the rest of the world need to put the pressure on so that they come into line with the rest of the world.
 
Not sure about now, but used to be able to get a King Brown of Tiger for $4:banana

A little bit more now.

There is a reason so many uncles spend all their time drinking with their kakis at hawker centres. A big bottle of beer to share costs about $6 to $7 at a typical hawker centre. At that price, you usually can't even get a small 33ml bottle at a bar.
 
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