I was just about to reply to him but agree with you and I'll hold off. Much better for my sanity and I'd rather converse with those who live in the real world.
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I was just about to reply to him but agree with you and I'll hold off. Much better for my sanity and I'd rather converse with those who live in the real world.
The President of the United States..
Heck surely he knows antibiotics don't work on viruses & never have??
More than 2000 deaths in a single day on the same weekend Trump wanted to open the country 2 weeks ago.
Dangerous.
Heck surely he knows antibiotics don't work on viruses & never have??
More than 2000 deaths in a single day on the same weekend Trump wanted to open the country 2 weeks ago.
Dangerous.
Oh, you mean the mob who told us that the free market policies implemented since the Reagan/Thatcher era meant no more boom-bust cycle?
Opps, GFC.
You criticise health researchers and health practitioners of sweeping assumptions. And then you claim some sort of credibility for economists. FFS, surely this is a joke.
Free market economists have given us the working poor in the USA, the GFC, the dot com boom and subsequent bust, the GFC, rising inequality, the GFC, more casualised workforce, the GFC, massive debt as people borrow to maintain living standards as the middle class misses out on the rewards of a wealthier economy, the GFC.
Up against that all the health researchers have given us is vaccines, anti-biotics, DNA testing and gene therapies, less invasive surgery, anaesthetics, organ transplants, MRI, eradication of smallpox etc.
There is no comparison. Health researchers and health practitioners act based on scientific research and evidence. Economists act on the basis of blinkered ideology, sweeping assumptions about human behaviour and encouragement of selfish behaviour even if it harms others (see game theory, a favourite of free market ideologues).
DS
The economics profession has been absorbed into a lackey for promoting government spending and credit expansion. It is an unholy alliance where economists get paid to tell the government what it wants to hear. The only school of economics that understands economics is the Austrian school, which correctly predicted the GFC. I’d wager that the vast majority of economists wouldn’t have even heard of it let alone health experts.
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Bit hard for you to hear things that don’t fit with your worldview, I’d suggest you took the right approach if you can’t handle it.
NBC news on April 10th reporting that spy agencies collected raw intelligence in November 2019 regarding public health crisis in Wuhan. It goes on to say that it was not understood to be the signs of a pandemic.. but what it is saying is they got word of something..
Case count excluding China (uodated 11:45pm)
1,714,362 cases
106,691 deaths (6.22%)
50,386 severe (3%)
1,222,758 mild (71%)
334,527 recovered (20%)
1,714,362 cases
106,691 deaths (6.22%)
50,386 severe (3%)
1,222,758 mild (71%)
334,527 recovered (20%)
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North Korea says it has no cases of COVID-19
North Korea's ruling party says it "has been maintaining a very stable anti-epidemic situation", state media reports.
The country claims to be completely free of coronavirus due to its "strict, top-class, emergency, anti-epidemic measures … consistency and compulsoriness in the nationwide protective measures".
But experts remain sceptical, given the high number of cases in neighbouring China and South Korea.
Despite the apparent lack of infections, the ruling party wants stricter and more thorough measures imposed to ensure the safety of its citizens.
North Korea was among the first countries to seal its borders in February.
It quarantined all foreign diplomats in Pyongyang for one month and controlled the movement of its population.
North Korea's ruling party says it "has been maintaining a very stable anti-epidemic situation", state media reports.
The country claims to be completely free of coronavirus due to its "strict, top-class, emergency, anti-epidemic measures … consistency and compulsoriness in the nationwide protective measures".
But experts remain sceptical, given the high number of cases in neighbouring China and South Korea.
Despite the apparent lack of infections, the ruling party wants stricter and more thorough measures imposed to ensure the safety of its citizens.
North Korea was among the first countries to seal its borders in February.
It quarantined all foreign diplomats in Pyongyang for one month and controlled the movement of its population.
PRE is a great place to start the day because of posts like these
This isn’t sinister if you were implying so.
Mystery illness produces a handful of cases.
Local authorities keep the peace in society (their job) by making sure it’s kept quiet while they observe and investigate.
Unfortunately, mystery illness numbers rise exponentially and a potential problem eventually does become a real problem. Then the big boys get involved.
China has been perfectly predictable. In January, they even admitted to their own people they weren’t transparent about SARS and vowed to be more transparent this time.
My perception of the matter is that our own government has been more misleading than China’s during this time.
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Considering that he doesn’t even know the geography of his own country. It’s unlikely he knows about medicine.The President of the United States..
Heck surely he knows antibiotics don't work on viruses & never have??
More than 2000 deaths in a single day on the same weekend Trump wanted to open the country 2 weeks ago.
Dangerous.
That’s their way of building faith in their totalitarian system.
“See! Total power gives us the power to keep you safe! Look at everyone dying in America where they’re free to run around and infect each other during a pandemic!”
“Look at these young Americans free to party on the beach during a pandemic! They don’t care if they’re killing their grandparents - it’s their freedom to move around and do whatever they want! People are selfish, we protect you from the disorderly nature of individuals running wild!”
Again your argument doesn't stack up. Of course governments around the world have looked into all alternatives. Are you that much smarter than ALL the powers of the world? How does spending billions on health services now in this time stop people from getting the virus and dying if allowed to frolick around carelessly? There is NO cure. When people get it, whether they die is up to the gods. It doesn't matter how much you throw at the health system, if it gets out of control there is not enough people skills to help the sick. There's not enough equipment worldwide. You still haven't thought this through properly.
And yes in our land we do have choices. Yes in the short-term logically it is reduced. I was still able to go for a walk today. I have a roof over my head. I can go the shop and buy a smorgasboard of food. I have fresh water whenever I want. I can communicate with family remotely. I can play games with my family. I can phone my friends. Majority of the world would give their arm and a leg to have what you and I have.
If you earn $50,000 you are in the top 1.5% richest in the WORLD. Even on the dole you are in the top 13%. We're one of the richest countries in the world yet people like you still complain. Yes after listening to all your diatribe I come to the conclusion you are selfish and you are proof that there are many greedy capitalists out there. Claiming we have no rights is just wrong and defeatist. Australians are fighters.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-23/australia-tops-median-wealth-per-adult-list/10518082
This makes for interesting, but not surprising reading.
Income Inequality - Inequality.org
Inequality in earnings between America's most affluent and the rest of the country continue to grow year after year.
inequality.org
Apparently he knows more about South Korea than anyone and there are 38million people living in Seoul. The guy is a drop-kick.
https://www.thewrap.com/trump-vastl...i-know-south-korea-better-than-anybody-video/
I'm guessing they've used more bullets than usual.
not implying anything. I didn’t write the story. as I’ve said before, I’m no conspiracy freak, just passing stuff on into the soup. As Mr Natural says, “It don’t mean sheeit”
There are two strains of coronavirus spreading in Australia
Louise Ayling and Joe Pinkstone
Daily Mail Australia
April 11, 2020
Scientists have discovered Australia is in the grips of two different strains of coronavirus.
Cambridge University researchers mapped the genetic history of the infection from December to March and found three distinct, but closely related, variants.
While Australian authorities are struggling to find a cure for the original virus which developed from animals, they're also battling a mutation known as strain C.
Type A is the most prevalent in Australia, however Type C has also been recorded in Sydney, according to the experts.
Analysis of the strains showed type A - the original virus that jumped to humans from bats via pangolins - was not China's most common. Instead, the pandemic's ground-zero was mainly hit by type B, which was in circulation as far back as Christmas Eve.
Type B was also the dominant strain across large parts of the United Kingdom and Europe, but has not made it to Australia.
Type C was an offshoot of Type B, mutating from the secondary strain and spreading to Europe and Australia via Singapore.Scientists believe the virus - officially called SARS-CoV-2 - is constantly mutating to overcome immune system resistance in different populations.
The genetic history of the coronavirus was mapped from December 24 to March 4, revealing three distinct, but closely related, variants. Scientists believe the virus may be constantly mutating to overcome differing levels of immune system resistance in different populations
Pictured, a breakdown of the different coronavirus genomes and to which of the three major group they belong to. The lines indicate a rough split between the type. The larger the circle, the higher the amount of cases
The academics' published work - which has been scrutinised by fellow scientists - only traced the samples of 160 patients across the world, including many of the first cases in Europe and the US.
Methods used to trace the prehistoric migration of ancient humans were adapted to track the spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19.
The team have now updated their analysis to include more than 1,000 COVID-19 cases up to the end of March to provide a clearer snapshot. It has not yet been peer-reviewed.
The smaller snapshot, published in the journal PNAS, initially suggested that type C was the most common in Europe.
But the data now shows type B is spreading more rampantly - all but one of 31 SARS-CoV-2 samples taken from patients in Switzerland were of the second cluster.
I had stated earlier my concerns of this possibility earlier but was shot down !
Concerning times.
Strain mutation is normal.
https://thehill.com/changing-americ...-least-8-strains-of-the-coronavirus-have-been
Bottom line is there is still a lot to learn about the virus.
Years ago I studied economics at University and one of my first lecturers was an economist by the name of Dr Neville Norman. In his first lecture he asked us what we thought studying economics had in common with studying sociology and philosophy.
The answer was that for all 3 the university asked the same questions in the exams every year but each year changed the answers.
