Coronavirus

[Sintiger]

I think it’s really easy to criticise any government in this situation but the reality is that despite warnings virtually no government in the world took it seriously enough at the time although for sure some have done better than others . Our federal and state governments missed opportunities but they weren’t alone in that.
My criticisms are about 2 things. One is messaging which I think has been confused and unclear at times. The other thing is what historically has happened a lot in this country which is announcing something without real capabilities to deliver.
My major concern now is the difference between the expectation of our Health system and the ability for it to cope. I’m pretty sure there is not a deep understanding of that at both a state and federal level. I really hope we don’t get to test that. Fingers crossed

 

[artball]

I don't think that's possible. The virus wasn't declared until December 31 and the genetic sequence was published in January.

Exactly LTRTR!

Yes they are leading the fight now as are others but the timeline of events wasn’t in November!

A comprehensive timeline of the coronavirus pandemic at 1 year, from China's first case to the present

It's been a year since the first coronavirus case arose in China. More than 1.7 million people have died. Here's the full timeline.

www.businessinsider.com

First known case was November 17th in China. By 27th December there were 180 known cases. The CSIRO are world regarded, you think their Chinese counterparts weren’t saying ‘hey gang, we’ve got a hot one’..? Check out an article on Live Science..

 

[artball]

the CSIRO info came from somebody at the Labs who has since been quiet... why do you think they are leading the way with vaccines? they’ve known since the start of it..

 

[caesar]

the CSIRO knew about the virus in November and had cultured it in December. their warnings fell on deaf ears in November, not January. these same scientists are now leading the vaccine development for the world..

The scary thing is that the earliest we can realistically expect a vaccine is 18 months away, usually takes 2-5 years to develop

Here's why the WHO says a coronavirus vaccine is 18 months away

The World Health Organisation said this week it may be 18 months before a vaccine against the coronavirus is publicly available.Let’s explore why, even with global efforts, it might take this long.

blog.csiro.au

 

[waiting]

the CSIRO info came from somebody at the Labs who has since been quiet... why do you think they are leading the way with vaccines? they’ve known since the start of it..

Artball I agree and wanted to post some other articles relating to a Chinese doctor who was a whistleblower ( we have all seen those articles ) I’ve even been hot on that, those timelines were from when China reported it to WHO.

It was prior to December the outbreak was first detected !

But the CSIRO I wasn’t aware of that!

 

[Tigers of Old]

The scary thing is that the earliest we can realistically expect a vaccine is 18 months away, usually takes 2-5 years to develop

Here's why the WHO says a coronavirus vaccine is 18 months away

The World Health Organisation said this week it may be 18 months before a vaccine against the coronavirus is publicly available.Let’s explore why, even with global efforts, it might take this long.

blog.csiro.au

Great article.

Scarier still scientists have never developed a successful vaccine for a coronavirus to date.

 

[Baloo]

Case count excluding China (9am)

1,013,387 cases
55,464 deaths (5.47%)
39,024 severe (4%)
767,361 mild (76%)
151,538 recovered (15%)

USA now with over 25% of the worlds cases.

 

[MD Jazz]

Like many governments he was slow to recognise the danger, but has been pretty good since the Grand Prix withdrawals forced his hand. We've been lucky. Australia, the lucky country. So far.

That's it. He has been good since, as has the federal government after a poor start. They have reacted well after realising the gravity of the situation. I'd just love to see some balance rather than the usual Scomo = bad Dan = good. The Ruby Princess fiasco apparently accounts for around 10% of the cases in Aust. How many would the grand prix have accounted for if it went ahead?

 

[artball]

But the CSIRO I wasn’t aware of that!

she came out about a week ago, but nothing since... their first info was soon after the 17th Nov, upon which they notified the Govt; of course they would. and I’m not bagging anyone, just transmitting what I hear into this viral soup. On a seperate note - is it true that people can go to Harvey Norman but not Ikea? Not that I use either, but that’s odd...

 

[Djevv]

Wuhan virology lab was 300m from the wet market which was the source of the virus.
Advertising for researchers on bat-bourne corona viruses.
The bats which were the vector were apparently not sold at the wet market and came from 900kms away.

Not hard to believe conspiracy theories on this one!

New evidence suggesting COVID-19 came from a Wuhan virology lab is hard to ignore — TheBlaze

Scientists were allegedly researching coronaviruses in bats late last year

apple.news

 

[Baloo]

Singapore has moved to further restrictions. They avoided the use of the word lock down. Tuesday business shutdown except for essential services (grocery stores, pharmacies, banks, fuel, electrical and few others exempt). Schools shut down on Wednesday.

For now, it's for a predetermined 4 weeks.

This has been triggered for two main reasons. Most infections these days are internal and a larger number where they have been able to contact trace. The idea is that a 4 week hard lockdown should stop the spread throughout the community and those carriers today who asymptomatic will either get over the virus or end up hospitalised.

Strangely though there's been no moaning, whinging or carrying on about how the new measures will be a pain to deal with. How it's an invasion of civil liberties or people claiming it's better to continue as we are for the sake of the economy.

 

[lamb22]

Wuhan virology lab was 300m from the wet market which was the source of the virus.
Advertising for researchers on bat-bourne corona viruses.
The bats which were the vector were apparently not sold at the wet market and came from 900kms away.

Not hard to believe conspiracy theories on this one!

New evidence suggesting COVID-19 came from a Wuhan virology lab is hard to ignore — TheBlaze

Scientists were allegedly researching coronaviruses in bats late last year

apple.news

You should read to the end of the article

Editor's Note: This article has been updated to correct a previous version that said the Wuhan Institute of Virology is located just 300 meters from the Huanan Seafood Market. This is not true. It is a different lab called the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention that is 300 meters form the market.

I was just as surprised by the correction as the Blaze and (any) journalistic standards are not something that go together.

 

[Sintiger]

Singapore has moved to further restrictions. They avoided the use of the word lock down. Tuesday business shutdown except for essential services (grocery stores, pharmacies, banks, fuel, electrical and few others exempt). Schools shut down on Wednesday.

For now, it's for a predetermined 4 weeks.

This has been triggered for two main reasons. Most infections these days are internal and a larger number where they have been able to contact trace. The idea is that a 4 week hard lockdown should stop the spread throughout the community and those carriers today who asymptomatic will either get over the virus or end up hospitalised.

Strangely though there's been no moaning, whinging or carrying on about how the new measures will be a pain to deal with. How it's an invasion of civil liberties or people claiming it's better to continue as we are for the sake of the economy.

Ah Singapore. No real surprise there Baloo.

Actually that is my hope and expectation here. If we can get to the point where a concentrated hit of lockdown where the virus hosts are locked down or in hospital that is the best we can hope for. It would have to be followed by a period of fortress Australia after it whilst the rest of the world was unsafe for people to travel in from

 

[tigerlove]

Wuhan virology lab was 300m from the wet market which was the source of the virus.
Advertising for researchers on bat-bourne corona viruses.
The bats which were the vector were apparently not sold at the wet market and came from 900kms away.

Not hard to believe conspiracy theories on this one!

New evidence suggesting COVID-19 came from a Wuhan virology lab is hard to ignore — TheBlaze

Scientists were allegedly researching coronaviruses in bats late last year

apple.news

Considering bats are the source of most our viruses it's not surprising that a lot of research is performed on bats (not just China but around the world). It may as well have originated from a research centre. We don't really know yet.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/bats-immune-system-viruses-ebola-marburg-people

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

First known case was November 17th in China. By 27th December there were 180 known cases. The CSIRO are world regarded, you think their Chinese counterparts weren’t saying ‘hey gang, we’ve got a hot one’..? Check out an article on Live Science..

In March, an investigation of patients with possible symptoms of coronavirus traced back as far as November 17. The Chinese were not aware of the virus in November.

Don't want to argue about this as it's trivial, but it's not as though authorities here have been sitting on their hands since last year.

As for who is "leading the way" in research, many are putting their hands up and making claims. Results first, kudos later.

 

[tigerlove]

TF if you can spare an hour view this and tell me that the anxiety of obeying a few rules, (although harsh), is worse than the virus:

Coronavirus: "Into The Red Zone" - Italy

Very sad.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Editor's Note: This article has been updated to correct a previous version that said the Wuhan Institute of Virology is located just 300 meters from the Huanan Seafood Market. This is not true. It is a different lab called the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention that is 300 meters form the market.

Yes, the Center for Disease Control is 280m from the market whereas the P4 lab is 12km away.

 

[eZyT]

Considering bats are the source of most our viruses it's not surprising that a lot of research is performed on bats (not just China but around the world). It may as well have originated from a research centre. We don't really know yet.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/bats-immune-system-viruses-ebola-marburg-people

yeah what's with deadly things and fruit bats?

on the farm, we've actually implemented our own bat mitigation strategy (seriously)

no fruit bearing trees (figs, mangoes etc) in paddocks with livestock.

had a donkey die of suspected Hendra once (it wasnt, the vet was just a f***head)

after he euthanised it, we couldn't go near it for 10 days in a heatwave.

the imagery of eventually burying it will never leave me.

imagine trying to serve a smoothy from a tractor bucket and you share a sanitised version of my load.

It would be pretty easy for someone like Alan Jones to mount a case for an active extinction of fruit bats

 

[tigerman]

It’s estimated that there are 20,000 wild animal/wet markets in China. I can’t put into words how much that angers and disgusts me.
And the filthy markets are still operating, even though they were supposed to have been banned

Whistleblowers are not tolerated in China, but those markets are

 

[Djevv]

Considering bats are the source of most our viruses it's not surprising that a lot of research is performed on bats (not just China but around the world). It may as well have originated from a research centre. We don't really know yet.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/bats-immune-system-viruses-ebola-marburg-people

Well even if there was no grand conspiracy involving the CCP, the Wuhan Virology Lab and (possibly) the Wuhan centre for disease control, in the light of this, ‘wet markets’ don’t seem like a very good idea.