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I got one of these Skull Shavers for Christmas. Complete game changer.
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Looks very snazzy.

I’m happy with my Wahl, has stood the test of time, nearly 24 years now.
My secret is to lube it with sewing machine oil after each use.
 
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Looks very snazzy.

I’m happy with my Wahl, has stood the test of time, nearly 24 years now.
My secret is to lube it with sewing machine oil after each use.

Yeah, can't go past Wahl clippers. They are the best out there. But if we ever decide to go from a Number 1 to a Number 0, the next logical step is the shaved head. That's when the Pitbull shines
 
From NSW active cases today, allowing for a 10 day "lead time", currently the hospital rate is 3.85%, ICU is 0.37%, Ventilation is 0.14%.

On the 17th December, as an example, the respective rates were 6.71%, 0.75% and 0.25%.

So it seems that the impact of the Omricon variant is not as severe as the Delta strain?

There's no data I can find that identifies how many Omicron vs Delta have been admitted to hospital.

That said, 0.37% of 61,000 is around 230, which is a lot more than the 61 ICU patients today.

I'm astounded that Victoria have decided not to verify the strains of virus anymore, as surely it would impact on any medical advice coming into January & February?
Hopefully all that is good news.

What makes you think Victoria is not recording cases etc by strain? Certainly data I have seen differentiates between Delta and Omicron
 
And there it is, first lockdown rumour of 2022. Jan 7th the date I’ve got told. No more details other than that.
 
And there it is, first lockdown rumour of 2022. Jan 7th the date I’ve got told. No more details other than that.
Victoria?
What type of lockdown? ....will be very very unpopular.
I think another lockdown in Victoria will cause mass protests from ordinary people. It would be a big risk for Andrews.
If it targeted the unvaccinated then that is fine, but when most are fully vaxed and happy to have a booster then I think a broad lockdown will be rejected by the population.
 
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What makes you think Victoria is not recording cases etc by strain? Certainly data I have seen differentiates between Delta and Omicron
It was a statement made by the COVID Commander, Jeroen Weimer. A few days ago, where he said, something along the lines of - we know Omricon is here, and in the community, so we are not specifically testing for it.

I could not believe it when I heard it.

I'm glad you know that is not the case. It's pretty important.
 
It was a statement made by the COVID Commander, Jeroen Weimer. A few days ago, where he said, something along the lines of - we know Omricon is here, and in the community, so we are not specifically testing for it.

I could not believe it when I heard it.

I'm glad you know that is not the case. It's pretty important.

I dont pretend to know much about identifying omicron , but the article below gives some good info @Born_a_Tiger78

Basically they have to do a full genome sequence on a sample to identify omicron, which PCR tests can't do.

Most positive cases do get forwarded for sequencing, but only 58% of cases as of June 2021 had been sequenced.



Australia doesn’t publish S gene dropout numbers but most positive cases undergo sequencing. As at June 2021 at least 58% of cases had been sequenced. Some information on variants of concern is then published by the communicable diseases genomics network. As of its update on 20 December, 386 Omicron cases had been identified, most in New South Wales.




@Sintiger do you have a link to omicron v delta data?
 
@Sintiger do you have a link to omicron v delta data?
What you have quoted make sense

Data I have seen was in a presentation by leading epidemiologists in Victoria but I don’t have access directly to it sorry.

This data is also available in other countries as well. For instance in the last couple of weeks it was announced omicron has become the dominant strain the US. They must know that from somewhere. Maybe a certain percentage is genomically sequenced and the numbers are extrapolated.
 
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Was booked for the 10th Jan ..looking like I'm not going back to Australia for a bit with the Middle East continuing its ban on flights from most of Africa but letting flights in from Europe where covit is a lot worse .. major bummer.(n):cry:
 
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A question to any health pros or Covid nerds:

preface: an anecdotal picture is emerging to me (n=5) that suggest not much difference in symptoms between vaccinated and unvaccinated people who are getting covid. It appears (anecdotally and tiny sample size) to be pretty random. This observation, coupled with 1. my inability to find a breakdown of vaccination status of people in hospital, indeed my perception is that this is deliberately NOT being reported, which leads me to 2. I am experience meta-cognitive distress, that I am having anti-vac thoughts;

leads me to ask this question.

Question: does anyone have a recent breakdown of vaccination status of hospitalisations in Australia?

thanks.
 
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Question: does anyone have a recent breakdown of vaccination status of hospitalisations in Australia?

thanks.
I posted these stats from 14th Dec - pretty clear evidence that vaccines prevent serious illness

94.2 per cent of Victorians aged 12 and over have now had at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine and 92.1 per cent have had two doses. This excludes the most recent Commonwealth data.

There are 364 COVID-19 cases in hospital in Victoria – 80 active cases in ICU, with 44 of those on a ventilator. There are an additional 39 cleared cases in ICU. Of those in hospital yesterday, 61 per cent were not fully vaccinated, while 94 per cent of those in ICU were not fully vaccinated. Of those admitted to ICU during December, 69 per cent were aged over 50. Of those, 74 per cent were not fully vaccinated.


So of the 364 people in hospital 222 not fully vaxed. Should be more like 8% or 29 if vaccines didn't work. And 75 of the 80 in ICU are not fully vaxed. Should be more like 6. Crazy increase in your risk of hospitalisation and ICU by not being vaccinated.

How does an anti-vaxxer argue against the overwhelming stats?
 
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The figure that interests me is that in December in Vic, one third of ICU admissions for covid were people under 50.
So people who should cope with covid and not be in ICU....but are very ill.....what percentage of these are fully vaccinated?
This is where the vaccination results can be best seen.

Healthy young people generally can cope with getting covid and the vaccination may not look to make a huge difference there.

In people who are older , the vaccination helps markedly but advanced age and associated co- morbidities some times tips them into serious illness....so we will still see admissions in this group.

But...under 50 should be able to stay out of ICU . I will bet almost all of these are unvaccinated...apart from people with underlying health issues.
 
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A question to any health pros or Covid nerds:

preface: an anecdotal picture is emerging to me (n=5) that suggest not much difference in symptoms between vaccinated and unvaccinated people who are getting covid. It appears (anecdotally and tiny sample size) to be pretty random. This observation, coupled with 1. my inability to find a breakdown of vaccination status of people in hospital, indeed my perception is that this is deliberately NOT being reported, which leads me to 2. I am experience meta-cognitive distress, that I am having anti-vac thoughts;

leads me to ask this question.

Question: does anyone have a recent breakdown of vaccination status of hospitalisations in Australia?

thanks.

This is a recent article from the SMH.


Key points:
"The latest Victorian hospital data, obtained by The Age, confirmed almost 94 per cent of those most gravely ill with coronavirus in ICU were unvaccinated. The other 6 per cent had largely been immunised, but most had underlying illness or compromised immune systems, making them susceptible to a more severe bout of the virus.

”There still remains very, very few patients who have ended up needing the most severe level of support if they have been fully vaccinated,” Professor Pilcher said.

On Friday, none of the almost 400 Victorians in hospital with coronavirus had received a booster and about 51 percent of overall hospital admissions were unvaccinated.

Another 4.8 per cent of people in hospital with COVID-19 had received one dose of the vaccine, while about 44.2 per cent had received two doses, the majority of whom were receiving medical care in general coronavirus wards."

Key indications as we know, is that vaccinations seem to prevent serious illness as shown here. 92% fully vaccinated over 12, but only 44.2% of hospital admissions are double dosed, and only 6% of those in ICU had received either 1 or 2 jabs.

If you look at it in numbers. I have tried to build the below table. Note that there wasn't a split of the 3 people in ICU that had received a vaccination (in terms of whether they were fully or partially) so I've put a vaccinated row at the bottom which is a sum of these 2 areas, the vast majority are fully rather than partially vaccinated. I don't think any anit vaxxer prevented with this info that could claim that vaccinations are not having a very positive effect.

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Wonder how many people are doing step 1 properly. Oh geeeeez….

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Any wonder people are confused!
Did/had my first ever test on Monday, obviously using a different brand.
My test instructions are pretty specific in not reading the results past the 15 minute mark and it says swab both nostrils, which doesn't seem the case with the above example. .... ???

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