Connors

[tigersnake]

I'm trying to understand your statement that Connors reverted to type last year and your implication that getting injured was somehow able to be blamed on Connors himself.

To try and help, I think Connors getting dropped was due to a substandard game and getting injured is rarely, if ever, the actual players fault. What I'd like you to tell me is how you think he reverted to type after a good 2010 when he only played 3 and a bit games in 2011.

I don't think he was good at any stage in his few games this year. So we disagree if you're saying he only played 1 poor game. No, getting injured is not a players fault, never said it was. I thought you were suggesting Conners got injured rather than dropped to lose his spot in the seniors.

If you are suggesting 3 games isn't enough to judge him on, thats a fair point, but I'm looking at his career overall.

 

[Disco08]

19 touches against the Saints in the draw was OK. 6 touches against Carlton in a quarter is OK, no? I just don't see how that can amount to 'reverting to type''. In 2010 he was top 10 for average B&F votes and 4th in average rating at the age of 21. Given the interruptions to both years either side of that I can't see why that's not a realistic expectation of him for next year.

On Connors, if he's not fit enough, then IT IS his fault for getting injured don't you think?

Sure. Was there any suggestion of him not being fit enough before he got injured?

 

[TigerForce]

Sure. Was there any suggestion of him not being fit enough before he got injured?

We wouldn't know the real truth about players' fitness (especially when carrying small injuries.....Jack?), but he's always looked slow and sluggish on field. Batch's gone right past him in 1 season.

 

[tigersnake]

19 touches against the Saints in the draw was OK. 6 touches against Carlton in a quarter is OK, no? I just don't see how that can amount to 'reverting to type''. In 2010 he was top 10 for average B&F votes and 4th in average rating at the age of 21. Given the interruptions to both years either side of that I can't see why that's not a realistic expectation of him for next year.

Sure. Was there any suggestion of him not being fit enough before he got injured?

Again, its how and when he gets touches and what he does with them that is important. We've had this debate before with Tambling, stats only tell part of the story. In some cases an extremely small part, Daffy, C Rioli, in some cases a huge part, S Black. I just think he half-arsed, no oomph. And when the going gets tough, he goes missing. Its only my opinion.

 

[Tigers of Old]

You can only has at a guess 'personal issues' are but football wise he's fallen well down the pecking order.
Therefor he's likely an easy delisting at year's end.

 

[Disco08]

Again, its how and when he gets touches and what he does with them that is important. We've had this debate before with Tambling, stats only tell part of the story. In some cases an extremely small part, Daffy, C Rioli, in some cases a huge part, S Black. I just think he half-arsed, no oomph. And when the going gets tough, he goes missing. Its only my opinion.

Did you think that was the case in 2010?

This is going off on too much of a tangent anyway. All I was disagreeing with was your statement that he reverted to type this year.

 

[tigersnake]

Like I said he showed a bit last year. After years of young players showing a bit then not coming on, I wasn't that excited. A bit encouraged and hoping he'd step it up, but I didnt get hooped up. Same as Tambling's best year, I thought he showed he might be a good player, rather than arriving, which is what the media hype said.

For me the bottom line is the softness. I'll get much more hooped up about a tough young player who shows a bit than a softish player who shows a bit. Now a tough player with class who shows a lot, TC DM, THAT will get me excited.

 

[Brodders17]

Sure. Was there any suggestion of him not being fit enough before he got injured?

from memory part of the reason he was dropped, and was sub in Rd 1, was because of a lack of fitness after an injury interrupted pre-season.

his 'personal issues' could be of any nature and it isnt really fair to speculate.

'personal issues' aside, as a footballer i agree with this:

football wise he's fallen well down the pecking order.

im not sure where he fits in. not defensive enough or provide enough run and drive for the backline. doesnt show much to suggest he will make it as a midfielder and doesnt fit into my guess at what Hardwick's forward structure looks like. will struggle for games i think.

 

[Sintiger]

from memory part of the reason he was dropped, and was sub in Rd 1, was because of a lack of fitness after an injury interrupted pre-season.

My recollection is that from all reports he was the fittest he had ever been . He got injured about a month before the season started and hardly played any practice games and was underdone in round 1 and was named sub .

It was basically downhill from then

 

[WesternTiger]

Should have accepted pick #106 for him rather than keep him on the list. I'm not sure why we would keep a player on the list that's stated they don't want to be at the club.

And you can add McGuane to that list too.

What so we take another two players very late in a weak draft? Would prefer to keep them on the list until 2012. Also need to ask whether any club would have even touched either of them considering they had contracts to go with them.

 

[Baloo]

I'd rather unproven duds who want to be at the club rather than duds with potential who don't want to be there.

 

[craig]

I'd rather unproven duds who want to be at the club rather than duds with potential who don't want to be there.

:hihi My Dear Balooga ............. must say warms my heart to see you use the word Dud twice in one sentence.

 

[Leysy Days]

Indeed. Good to have him on board.

 

[WesternTiger]

I'd rather unproven duds who want to be at the club rather than duds with potential who don't want to be there.

Problem is we would be stuck with those duds for two years rather than just one more for Connors and *smile*!

 

[Baloo]

Problem is we would be stuck with those duds for two years rather than just one more for Connors and *smile*!

Not if we took a state league older player we wouldnt

 

[Leysy Days]

Ah Baloo, leysy may as well hang up the keyboard & not post anymore.

Your doing his job for him.

 

[jb03]

The real story of this thread is Baloo and brodders having a lovers tiff. The unfair aspersions being cast on Connors seem rather irrelevant now.

 

[Brodders17]

The real story of this thread is Baloo and brodders having a lovers tiff. The unfair aspersions being cast on Connors seem rather irrelevant now.

tiff??
cant really see how so.
balooga reckons connors should have been delisted. i reckon he will struggle for games.
as an aside JLT reckons Connors should play midfield.

who do you agree with?

 

[Baloo]

The real story of this thread is Baloo and brodders having a lovers tiff. The unfair aspersions being cast on Connors seem rather irrelevant now.

Agree (naturally) with Brodders here. What tiff ?

The biggest shame is that Connors failed his medical when we went over to SA. Had he passed this chapter would be over, except for the same people who will be watching Morton and lamenting our ineptitude every time he kicks a goal.

Ah Baloo, leysy may as well hang up the keyboard & not post anymore.

Your doing his job for him.

Hammer away long and hard enough and eventually some new way of looking at things gets into my skull.

 

[marsinvenus]

I pulled the old "personel reasons" to get out of work once.