Cars

[tigersnake]

This thread must have had a few cobwebs on it when TigerSnake brought it back

just like his cars LOL

If the Snake seriously thinks the  Hi-Lux is a quick vehicle then he should get out more!!  But maybe he appreciates its ultra cool looks and the way it attracts all the chicks!

Maybe you are correct Pop.X.  I'll put it in context for ya.  Yes, your Clio sport would do the Hilux like a dinner I'd reckon.  I'm guessing, but pocket rockets generally have 120kw and weigh in at a tonne.  Now this ute I drove last night, and thats all it is a ute, weighs a bit under 1.5 tonnes and has 176Kw.  So on my rough figures the daggy 'ol hilux is 50% heavier and has 30% more power.  But it is a only a ute, but a real ute you can cart stuff in.  I guess what I should said is its quick, for a japanese ute.  It was definately faster than a commodore, and I do think late model commodores are quick so I guess I am getting old.  But quick for s std production car.  Its all relative.

I swore off genuinely quick cars 10 years ago.  Too much wasted dough and speeding tickets.

The thing that impressed me the most was the 5sp auto, no lag, you could hardly feel the changes.  All I know is, I planted the foot, and away we went.  And very torquey.  The pickup was comparable to an RX8 I drove recently, which amazed me.  But yes your Euro rocket would be quicker, But I can't pick up a load of mulch in a euro rocket.

I just realised I stuffed up my sums. 

Clio sport (rough figures which I've guessed, actually based on my knowledge of the top Focus, correct me if I'm wrong)

120Kw and 1000kg for 60kw per half tonne

Hilux SR5

176Kw and 1450kg for 60kw per half tonne

they have the same bloody power to weight 'ol son!  You had me doubting myself there for a sec, but yep, this thing was fast.  The data stacks up.

As I said before it would be no contest on the handling, a ute V a rally car. 

This V6 is not some crappy old motor, its a DOHC, V VT, injected number.  Daggy old Hilux it aint.

 

[sucker4richond]

Anyone know anything about the 3.0ltr turbo Liberty Wagon?
Any good?

there is no 3.0 turbo, there is a gt which is a 2.0 turbo. there is a 3.0 r auto 6 cylinder and a 3.o rb which is a manual which has 18" alloys and rides on bilstein suspension

they are all brilliant vehicles and i am just about to place an order for the 2.5i auto wagon with safety pack for the wife and daughter.

LT77 Thanks for this.  So the 3.0ltr RB is the one with, from my memory, 176kw and has a 6 speed box?

180KW 297NM 6spd manual 18: alloys

 

[Michael]

Anyone know anything about the 3.0ltr turbo Liberty Wagon?
Any good?

there is no 3.0 turbo, there is a gt which is a 2.0 turbo. there is a 3.0 r auto 6 cylinder and a 3.o rb which is a manual which has 18" alloys and rides on bilstein suspension

they are all brilliant vehicles and i am just about to place an order for the 2.5i auto wagon with safety pack for the wife and daughter.

LT77 Thanks for this. So the 3.0ltr RB is the one with, from my memory, 176kw and has a 6 speed box?

180KW 297NM 6spd manual 18: alloys

Lebo, thanks mate. Dont suppose you know if they are available now or the price?

 

[sucker4richond]

yep, available now

$54k + orc

www.subaru.com.au

 

[FightingFury]

Anyone know anything about the 3.0ltr turbo Liberty Wagon?
Any good?

there is no 3.0 turbo, there is a gt which is a 2.0 turbo. there is a 3.0 r auto 6 cylinder and a 3.o rb which is a manual which has 18" alloys and rides on bilstein suspension

they are all brilliant vehicles and i am just about to place an order for the 2.5i auto wagon with safety pack for the wife and daughter.

LT77 Thanks for this.  So the 3.0ltr RB is the one with, from my memory, 176kw and has a 6 speed box?

Quite right Michael,the RB 3.0Ltr is as superb a car on the road as there is IMO.
It is very favorable when compared to the Turbo GT as well.
If theres a better ride with better equipment in Australia for the money Id be mighty suprised.

 

[sucker4richond]

Anyone know anything about the 3.0ltr turbo Liberty Wagon?
Any good?

there is no 3.0 turbo, there is a gt which is a 2.0 turbo. there is a 3.0 r auto 6 cylinder and a 3.o rb which is a manual which has 18" alloys and rides on bilstein suspension

they are all brilliant vehicles and i am just about to place an order for the 2.5i auto wagon with safety pack for the wife and daughter.

LT77 Thanks for this.  So the 3.0ltr RB is the one with, from my memory, 176kw and has a 6 speed box?

Quite right Michael,the RB 3.0Ltr is as superb a car on the road as there is IMO.
It is very favorable when compared to the Turbo GT as well.
If theres a better ride with better equipment in Australia for the money Id be mighty suprised. 

what about a 2001 rx liberty, how about showing some balls and punting a little to help a lebo out?

 

[FightingFury]

Anyone know anything about the 3.0ltr turbo Liberty Wagon?
Any good?

there is no 3.0 turbo, there is a gt which is a 2.0 turbo. there is a 3.0 r auto 6 cylinder and a 3.o rb which is a manual which has 18" alloys and rides on bilstein suspension

they are all brilliant vehicles and i am just about to place an order for the 2.5i auto wagon with safety pack for the wife and daughter.

LT77 Thanks for this.  So the 3.0ltr RB is the one with, from my memory, 176kw and has a 6 speed box?

Quite right Michael,the RB 3.0Ltr is as superb a car on the road as there is IMO.
It is very favorable when compared to the Turbo GT as well.
If theres a better ride with better equipment in Australia for the money Id be mighty suprised. 

what about a 2001 rx liberty, how about showing some balls and punting a little to help a lebo out?

LOL

The previous owner might burn me if called about it!

The new model Liberty is so far advaced of the 3rd Gen its bound to hurt its market.....still lucky for you its not a Mitsubishi,it'd be worth its tyres after 4 years

 

[sucker4richond]

Anyone know anything about the 3.0ltr turbo Liberty Wagon?
Any good?

there is no 3.0 turbo, there is a gt which is a 2.0 turbo. there is a 3.0 r auto 6 cylinder and a 3.o rb which is a manual which has 18" alloys and rides on bilstein suspension

they are all brilliant vehicles and i am just about to place an order for the 2.5i auto wagon with safety pack for the wife and daughter.

LT77 Thanks for this.  So the 3.0ltr RB is the one with, from my memory, 176kw and has a 6 speed box?

Quite right Michael,the RB 3.0Ltr is as superb a car on the road as there is IMO.
It is very favorable when compared to the Turbo GT as well.
If theres a better ride with better equipment in Australia for the money Id be mighty suprised. 

what about a 2001 rx liberty, how about showing some balls and punting a little to help a lebo out?

LOL

The previous owner might burn me if called about it!

The new model Liberty is so far advaced of the 3rd Gen its bound to hurt its market.....still lucky for you its not a Mitsubishi,it'd be worth its tyres after 4 years   

driven to church and back on a sundays only!

 

[Henry Williams]

Another car I love is the Spider! Or whatever the hell this car is......... http://kindtimes.com/content/places/IL/Chicago/events/2004AutoShow/images/images/AutoShow076.jpg

 

[Redford]

What do people make of the new VE Commodore ? Not a bad shape I have to say.

 

[Lidsand]

What do people make of the new VE Commodore ? Not a bad shape I have to say.

nice red

i had an sv6 auto for a night, drilled the arse off it and its impressive

amazing value for $40k, berlina too is $40k. omega looks rubbish. wm caprice is a glamour

 

[Redford]

What do people make of the new VE Commodore ? Not a bad shape I have to say.

nice red

i had an sv6 auto for a night, drilled the arse off it and its impressive

amazing value for $40k, berlina too is $40k. omega looks rubbish. wm caprice is a glamour

Interesting you should say that Ba-da-Bing, because all the write ups to date suggest that the SV6 is the one out of the new range that lags a bit. Apparently the gearbox is pretty ordinary in the manuals (still), and the test writers reckoned there wasn’t enough torque either. What did you think about it ?

Despite the Omega looking a bit plain, it’s their no-frills entry level car, so I guess that’s gotta be expected.

All the journos love both the SS and the V8 Calais. Having said that though, both Wheels and Modern Motor are reknowned for their extreme Holden bias. Still, it’s a wicked looking shape they’ve developed – best look ever for a Commodore by a street, I reckon.

Yeah, they are pretty well priced the Commodores. However, a lot of stuff that comes standard on most other cars (e.g. 6 disc CD) doesnt with a few models. Holden (and Ford do it as well) have this habit of "nickel and diming" you by making add stuff to the basic car cost such that you end up paying heaps more to get everything you should have in the car.

Tell me more about the SV6 you had.

 

[Michael]

Drove the no frills version as a hire car.
Looked excellent outside and inside
Engine an absolute ripper
Auto a bit clunky at times
Handling was very very good, considering the crap tyres on the hire car
Ashtray too small

 

[Redford]

Drove the no frills version as a hire car.
Looked excellent outside and inside
Engine an absolute ripper
Auto a bit clunky at times
Handling was very very good, considering the crap tyres on the hire car
Ashtray too small

Chuffing away on a few durries eh George Michael ? Gotta give 'em up Mick. Gotta give 'em up !

Again, interesting what you say about the donk in the Omega because that's just their 180kw version so I guess you gotta expect the higher output V6 and V8 engines must go ok as well.

Besides the look of the thing, apparently the chassis and handling are where they have made significant inroads.

 

[Michael]

Drove the no frills version as a hire car.
Looked excellent outside and inside
Engine an absolute ripper
Auto a bit clunky at times
Handling was very very good, considering the crap tyres on the hire car
Ashtray too small

Chuffing away on a few durries eh George Michael ? Gotta give 'em up Mick. Gotta give 'em up !

Again, interesting what you say about the donk in the Omega because that's just their 180kw version so I guess you gotta expect the higher output V6 and V8 engines must go ok as well.

Besides the look of the thing, apparently the chassis and handling are where they have made significant inroads.

The handling was very good. Would be improved by dropping it on it's guts and adding some monster wheels and decent rubber.

 

[Redford]

Its funny what some of these magazine “experts” write about cars when they’re testing them. For instance, in their BFYB edition, Modern Motor rambled on about how the SV6 was a bit underpowered, yet despite this, it managed to do 0-100kmh in 7.1 secs (or something like it), which is pretty good considering the engine capacity and the size and weight of the car. You then add to the fact that it has a lighter engine in it than the SS V8 (which they rave about) and the front end handling benefits that come with that, and you start to wonder why they didn’t rate the car ?

Funny bunch those motoring writers.

 

[poppa x]

The base model in any car range is usually the superior drivers car because it weighs less than its cousins.  Providing the other cars share the same engine, then the performance figures of the base model will be the best.

I think Holden has produced a car that Australians can be proud of.  Likewise Ford can hold their head high with their BA Falcon.  Nowhere else in the world can you buy large RWD cars that go well and handle properly for such reasonable money.

But I wouldn't buy one.  I like smaller cars with high performing and economical 4 cylinder engines.  Renault ClioSport, Alfa 147, Ford Focus, Peugot 205, Fiat Grande Punto, Honda Integra are cars I like. I find them fun to drive, easy to park and easy (relatively) on the wallet.

 

[Lidsand]

Its funny what some of these magazine “experts” write about cars when they’re testing them. For instance, in their BFYB edition, Modern Motor rambled on about how the SV6 was a bit underpowered, yet despite this, it managed to do 0-100kmh in 7.1 secs (or something like it), which is pretty good considering the engine capacity and the size and weight of the car. You then add to the fact that it has a lighter engine in it than the SS V8 (which they rave about) and the front end handling benefits that come with that, and you start to wonder why they didn’t rate the car ?

Funny bunch those motoring writers.

modern motor stopped testing cars when the VP was the business, ;D ;D motor are infatuated with v8's and output hence their biased and macho opinions on anything with 8 cylinders. lets face it the majority of ve owners will be driving sv6's and berlinas down. they may sell off their v series calais sand ss's but the average ve owner will never buy one but will whack big wheels and a spoiler on their omega. i find wheels to be slightly better balanced magazine for me anyway. where else can you read a review on a 4 cyl camry base model? ;D

now as for the sv6, looks great ( too conservative rear end body styling for me and big spoiler to compensate looks awkward). plenty of power, brilliantly well balanced predictable handling even on the edge, *smile* brakes. world class fit and finish, averaged 13 l/100km over about 150km of reasonably hard driving. nice gear change in the auto (5spd active select). fairly unobtrusive esp (better off though > ). 18's look nice and as mick said it needs to be dumped

i liked it

 

[Redford]

Its funny what some of these magazine “experts” write about cars when they’re testing them. For instance, in their BFYB edition, Modern Motor rambled on about how the SV6 was a bit underpowered, yet despite this, it managed to do 0-100kmh in 7.1 secs (or something like it), which is pretty good considering the engine capacity and the size and weight of the car. You then add to the fact that it has a lighter engine in it than the SS V8 (which they rave about) and the front end handling benefits that come with that, and you start to wonder why they didn’t rate the car ?

Funny bunch those motoring writers.

modern motor stopped testing cars when the VP was the business,  ;D ;D  motor are infatuated with v8's and output hence their biased and macho opinions on anything with 8 cylinders. lets face it the majority of ve owners will be driving sv6's and berlinas down. they may sell off their v series calais sand ss's but the average ve owner will never buy one but will whack big wheels and a spoiler on their omega. i find wheels to be slightly better balanced magazine for me anyway. where else can you read a review on a 4 cyl camry base model?  ;D

now as for the sv6, looks great ( too conservative rear end body styling for me and big spoiler to compensate looks awkward). plenty of power, brilliantly well balanced predictable handling even on the edge, sh!t brakes. world class fit and finish, averaged 13 l/100km over about 150km  of reasonably hard driving. nice gear change in the auto  (5spd active select). fairly unobtrusive esp (better off though  > ). 18's look nice and as mick said it needs to be dumped

i liked it

Good stuff. Thanks for that Ba-da-Bing.

 

[Lidsand]

Good stuff. Thanks for that Ba-da-Bing.

you thinking of buying one?