capital punishment..ivan milat..j.knight.p.dupas..and any other scum

[Liverpool]

So your moral stance essentially boils down to 'an eye for an eye'.
Not surprising really.

And the problem with that is?

 

[Six Pack]

if u keep going with an eye for eye the world goes blind

 

[1eyedtiger]

Why let him live and make the rest of us live in the fear that someday a moron will release him?

Maybe a failure of the system if that happens but it couldn't happen if he wasn't alive to be released.

So your moral stance essentially boils down to 'an eye for an eye'.

Not surprising really.

Just a cop out to allow people to escape the consequences of their actions.

Two wrongs don't make a right but in my book, it comes a hell of a lot closer than one wrong.

 

[Panthera tigris FC]

No one is advocating that the offenders deserve freedom, or that their actions aren't detestable.

I guess that is the point though. Whether you solve the problem by resorting to the same methods as those you are attempting to punish (as some seem to be).

 

[Disco08]

Do any of you that are pushing the death penalty for this person even acknowledge that people have been wrongfully incriminated (and subsequently released when new evidence is presented) on these type of charges in that past?

 

[Panthera tigris FC]

And the problem with that is?

:hihi You are good value Livers.

 

[Liverpool]

if u keep going with an eye for eye the world goes blind

Don't your beloved Aborigines use such methods in their customary law, where people who commit manslaughter, for example, have to receive punishment, such as legs being speared and the like?

 

[1eyedtiger]

No one is advocating that the offenders deserve freedom, or that their actions aren't detestable.

I guess that is the point though. Whether you solve the problem by resorting to the same methods as those you are attempting to punish (as some seem to be).

The punishment should fit the crime.

Do any of you that are pushing the death penalty for this person even acknowledge that people have been wrongfully incriminated (and subsequently released when new evidence is presented) on these type of charges in that past?

It's already been agreed by most on this forum that the death penalty be reserved for cases where there is absolutely no doubt that the offender is guilty.

Believe it or not, there are some cases where guilt is indisputable.

 

[Six Pack]

ah, a resort to sarcasm. keep it going big fella!

 

[Liverpool]

It's already been agreed by most on this forum that the death penalty be reserved for cases where there is absolutely no doubt that the offender is guilty.
Believe it or not, there are some cases where guilt is indisputable.

Exactly.....just because you want people like Julian Knight dead, doesn't mean I'm going to go with a posse of people with pitchforks around to the local jailhouse to string up all the criminals.

But obvious ones, like Knight...should not be on this earth.

 

[Disco08]

Believe it or not, there are some cases where guilt is indisputable.

Oh really, thanks for filling me in.

The case that's being discussed, without either a confession or eyewitness accounts is not one of those cases however.

 

[Harry]

I guess that is the point though. Whether you solve the problem by resorting to the same methods as those you are attempting to punish (as some seem to be).

With this sort of logic should a person found guilty of unlawful improsonment be jailed? Same methods of punishment?

 

[ssstone]

With this sort of logic should a person found guilty of unlawful improsonment be jailed? Same methods of punishment?

:rofl :rofl :rofl :clap :clap

 

[1eyedtiger]

Oh really, thanks for filling me in.

The case that's being discussed, without either a confession or eyewitness accounts is not one of those cases however.

You referred to a specific case and backed up your argument against capital punishment with a generic statement that there have been cases of wrongful conviction in the past.
I'm simply pointing out that there are cases which a indisputable and therefore a fitting punishment should be applied.

Didn't mean to come across sarcastic.

 

[Six Pack]

You referred to a specific case and backed up your argument against capital punishment with a generic statement that there have been cases of wrongful conviction in the past.
I'm simply pointing out that there are cases which a indisputable and therefore a fitting punishment should be applied.

Didn't mean to come across sarcastic.

If it's a 'fitting punishment' why is it against Australian law?

 

[Panthera tigris FC]

With this sort of logic should a person found guilty of unlawful improsonment be jailed? Same methods of punishment?

The point wasn't about 'same methods of punishment' it was about if we perceive an action as wrong, should we resort to it to remedy the situation?

Our penal system is far from perfect, but the government must protect the freedoms of its citizens first and foremost. Thus, someone who commits a crime against another individual must be incarcerated as a consequence. If you know a better penal system, I am interested to hear it.

 

[Panthera tigris FC]

I guess this all raises the question of the purpose of the penal system.

Punitive?
Rehabilitation?
Deterrent?

I am not saying our current penal system does any of these things well, but, ideally, what role should it play? I get the feeling that most of the recent posters see the penal system as purely a punitive system.

 

[1eyedtiger]

If it's a 'fitting punishment' why is it against Australian law?

I don't know of the actual reasons behind it, but I don't believe that the legal system effectively delivers justice anymore. I suppose 'fitting' means different things to different people.

At the moment we have pedophiles being housed down the road from primary schools. Legal, yes, but hardly just.

 

[Harry]

I guess this all raises the question of the purpose of the penal system.

Punitive?
Rehabilitation?
Deterrent?

I am not saying our current penal system does any of these things well, but, ideally, what role should it play? I get the feeling that most of the recent posters see the penal system as purely a punitive system.

What role do you believe it should play for a sicko who stabs a young lady several times in the back while she's visiting the grave of her grandmother?

 

[Panthera tigris FC]

What role do you believe it should play for a sicko who stabs a young lady several times in the back while she's visiting the grave of her grandmother?

First and foremost it should be to prevent that 'sicko' from being able to cause any more harm. I would also be interested to know why these 'sickos' behave in a manner that is so abhorrent to the vast majority of us. If we want any chance of stopping such tragedies from occurring in the future an understanding of why they are happening now is paramount.

I think the penal system does and should have some punitive and deterrent value, but that is not it only role and IMO shouldn't be the priority.