Can the Richmond Football Club afford to take John Butcher?

[SAF]

Sounds like Butcher is not good enough for Pick 3 and there is no other good KPP prospects at this level.

Does anyone know if there are likely to be any decent KKP prospects available for our second pick?

 

[Scoop]

So if everyone agrees that we cannot afford to take John Butcher based on his skill level, why do we tolerate and accept players who are in our side at the moment who have the same skill issues?

 

[Barnzy]

So if everyone agrees that we cannot afford to take John Butcher based on his skill level, why do we tolerate and accept players who are in our side at the moment who have the same skill issues?

Who says we tolerate it? I've wanted the same unskilled hacks out of the team and off the list for yonks. All I see week after week is turnover after turnover. Unfortunately for everyone's sake, I'm not the list manager.

 

[Scoop]

Who says we tolerate it? I've wanted the same unskilled hacks out of the team and off the list for yonks. All I see week after week is turnover after turnover. Unfortunately for everyone's sake, I'm not the list manager.

Thank you very much Jimmy. But many on PRE support the Tucks, McGuanes, Jacksons, Whites, Polos, Grahams and Kings of Richmond. Unskilled triers who will never get us up the ladder.

 

[Mr Pumblechook]

Thank you very much Jimmy. But many on PRE support the Tucks, McGuanes, Jacksons, Whites, Polos, Grahams and Kings of Richmond. Unskilled triers who will never get us up the ladder.

I think there is a difference between supporting the players on our list, and wanting them off the list.

Once the season is up and running, I support all Tiger players, even if I can see they aren't up to it in the long term, and would prefer them replaced at years end.

 

[IrockZ]

It all comes down to what the Coach wants.CC would have been consulted and then spoken to our recruiters then decisions are made.As for the cleanout,s well if you can look into the future you,ll be a millionaire by now.The club back then thought we were a top 8 side

• and acted upon it accordingly.
  Hindsight is the easy part.

What hindsight? Thats a BS excuse.

Everyone knew there were compromised drafts coming up BEFORE last years draft thats why the smart clubs took some bottom agers who would of been top 30 picks this year (yes even Carlton). Go back to some post-draft threads if you need proof.

So now its what the coach wants? Terry never went to draft camp in 5 years but he's going to have a say in how many picks we use? I dont buy that crap. We have actually used our picks well in 07 and 08 but not had enough choices. Schulz/Thomson trades one of the reasons for this.

I've been a fan of Butcher for a while and I dont think the bagging is warranted. He is just in poor form but not a *smile* player like some make out. Martin would be a good choice for us but if Butcher goes outside the top 6 that club will have a lot to work with because he has shown he can play.

 

[Tigers of Old]

We need mids who can hit a forward inside 50 with accuracy.
Whoever can do that regularly is who we should draft.

 

[Jason King]

What hindsight? Thats a BS excuse.

Everyone knew there were compromised drafts coming up BEFORE last years draft thats why the smart clubs took some bottom agers who would of been top 30 picks this year (yes even Carlton). Go back to some post-draft threads if you need proof.

So now its what the coach wants? Terry never went to draft camp in 5 years but he's going to have a say in how many picks we use? I dont buy that crap. We have actually used our picks well in 07 and 08 but not had enough choices. Schulz/Thomson trades one of the reasons for this.

I've been a fan of Butcher for a while and I dont think the bagging is warranted. He is just in poor form but not a sh!t player like some make out. Martin would be a good choice for us but if Butcher goes outside the top 6 that club will have a lot to work with because he has shown he can play.

Which is one big pet peeve for mine. Why would you advocate someone who has a questionable kick to be on our list at the expense of someone who can kick both sides ie Martin ?

We need mids who can hit a forward inside 50 with accuracy.
Whoever can do that regularly is who we should draft.

Agreed.

 

[IanG]

Which is one big pet peeve for mine. Why would you advocate someone who has a questionable kick to be on our list at the expense of someone who can kick both sides ie Martin ?

They play in 2 completely different positions and so aren't necessarily comparable, we arguably need KPFs more than mids.

What hindsight? Thats a BS excuse.

Everyone knew there were compromised drafts coming up BEFORE last years draft thats why the smart clubs took some bottom agers who would of been top 30 picks this year (yes even Carlton). Go back to some post-draft threads if you need proof.

Wallace was on the List Mgt Committee and would probably have had the major say in which players remained which the number of draft picks is dependent on. Re Thomson and Hislop I'll say again we were still getting long term players, 8+ years if we're lucky and it was felt even here that we were light on for inside players.

 

[tigersnake]

Thank you very much Jimmy. But many on PRE support the Tucks, McGuanes, Jacksons, Whites, Polos, Grahams and Kings of Richmond. Unskilled triers who will never get us up the ladder.

Agree up to a point. Personally, I agree on Tuck (is as good as he's ever gunna get, not good enough), Graham, (too far off whats required, even for age) and King (see Tuck comment).

As for McGuane, Jackson, White, Polo, all have upside and deficiencies. All 4 are young. Short term, all stay due to the parlous state of the list. Long term, depending on individual improvement and role, 2 will turn out to be reasonably skilled players who can help us get up the ladder.

(I reckon Polo has improved this year to the point where he's looking like a long term player. Jackson could be a Kirk-type, fell away in second half but showed a lot early. )

It really doesn't matter much what I or you think on individuals though, the point is, As I've said like a stuck record, every side has flawed players. Just a matter of minimising their numbers and fitting them in properly.
A lot of people on PRE post as if you need 10 Judds and 10 Goodes and 2 J Browns to win a flag.

 

[Jason King]

They play in 2 completely different positions and so aren't necessarily comparable, we arguably need KPFs more than mids.

We cant win the ball in the middle so I would have thought our midfield and ruck need priority treatment.

 

[tigersnake]

On thread topic, not a fan of Butcher. Have seen very little, only from Martin Highlight package of Vic C v WA, twice he went for a gettable pack mark one-handed. Big indicator to me of someone who is not a natural. No we can't afford to take him

 

[Leysy Days]

Wallace was on the List Mgt Committee and would probably have had the major say in which players remained which the number of draft picks is dependent on.

Um CC is the list mgr. He has the major say on which players remain & therefore how many draft choices we will have. Not the coach.

 

[IanG]

Um CC is the list mgr. He has the major say on which players remain & therefore how many draft choices we will have. Not the coach.

There is a List Mgt Committee of which the coach is a member.

 

[craig]

As for McGuane, Jackson, White, Polo, all have upside and deficiencies. All 4 are young. Short term, all stay due to the parlous state of the list. Long term, depending on individual improvement and role, 2 will turn out to be reasonably skilled players who can help us get up the ladder.

They are all deficient limited, skill and poise lacking footballers and all need to be gotten rid of.

Very Ordinary the lot of em i dont rate any of em and these 4 along with the Pattisons of this world are most certainly not the sorts of players to take this club forward and the sooner they are upgraded with blokes who have poise, smarts and can kick the better.

Upgrading these types cant happen soon enough.

 

[Scoop]

There is a List Mgt Committee of which the coach is a member.

Is he? But he does not hold sway or have final say on it.

We need to get away from these types. If we take Butcher it will be a nail in the coffin of FJ and CC.

 

[Tails]

Could I ask a question - I was somehow thinking Butcher was the stocky, hard at it bastard who got a heap of it in the u18's grand final. Who was that guy because he was the sort of bloke who stood out in a losing side but who could step straight into senior footy.

 

[Chiang Mai Tiger]

Todays game means KPFs have to spend some time down in defence dont it?

5 minutes of Butcher youtube gives me the shudders thinking of this.

 

[Leysy Days]

There is a List Mgt Committee of which the coach is a member.

You said TW would have the THE major say. Dare say CC as list manager would head up the List Mgt committee.

 

[Baloo]

From the sound of his kicking, if we did recruit him his nickname would be a no brainer.