Brett Deledio (merged)

[Mac]

I really dislike wasting my time banging on about this but do the $@@%@ math’s. How many Bulldogs won personal awards versus playing throughout the year and contributing to a premiership? Now do the maths of the last 20 years and add up those on the lists of the clubs that won premierships versus those that won personal awards and guess what? Get it. Many great footballers (I wish a few of them were playing at the Tigers now!) don't win awards; but they play in premierships. A premiership for me hands down; any day of the week.

Whoa! I understand you have a position on Deledio. Fair enough, you're entitled to that. But the Deledio arguments aside - Are you saying that you believe that the premiership teams of the last 20 years did NOT have a glut of players that won individual awards?

I'd argue that the top teams are the top teams for the very reason that they DO have more players that win individual awards.

Looking at this list you could pick out several individual medal winners without even having to use google or wiki

1996 North Melbourne D Sydney
1997 Adelaide D St Kilda
1998 Adelaide D North Melbourne
1999 North Melbourne D Carlton
2000 Essendon D Melbourne
2001 Brisbane Lions D Essendon
2002 Brisbane Lions D Collingwood
2003 Brisbane Lions D Collingwood
2004 Port Adelaide D Brisbane Lions
2005 Sydney D West Coast
2006 West Coast D Sydney
2007 Geelong D Port Adelaide
2008 Hawthorn D Geelong
2009 Geelong D St Kilda
2010 Collingwood D St Kilda
2011 Geelong D Collingwood
2012 Sydney D Hawthorn
2013 Hawthorn D Fremantle
2014 Hawthorn D Sydney
2015 Hawthorn D West Coast
2016 Western Bulldogs D Sydney


Brownlows, AA's, Colemans, multiple B&F's all over the place. I remember a time that the cats seemed to field about 12 AA's for 3 years straight!

Luke Hodge is a name that gets mentioned as an example a lot. He's not a Brownlow medallist, just a champ who gets his team to win GF on a regular basis. Let's have a look as his awards:

3× All-Australian (2005, 2008, 2010)
2× Peter Crimmins Medal: (2005, 2010)
International Rules Series: (2005, 2014, 2015)
AFLPA Best Captain Award (2014)
Jim Stynes Medal (2014)
Hawthorn F.C. Captain (2011–)
Hawthorn Best First Year Player Award (2002)
AFL Rising Star nominee (2002)
TAC Cup Premiership (2000)
AFL/AIS Academy (2001)
U/18 International Rules Representative (2001)
Ron Barassi Medal as MVP in U18 IR Series (2001)

Plus of course:
4× AFL Premiership (2008, 2013, 2014, 2015)
2× Norm Smith Medal (2008, 2014)
(But I can't count those in my argument because it's a fait accompli)


You maintain Deledio is soft, fair enough. But geez, the top teams definitely have more personal award winners than the poor teams.

 

[Rosy]

Methinks the naysayers protesteth too much. No other player who's flown the coop in recent years has copped so much flak. Maybe people valued Brett more than they are willing to let on. :blah

 

[Tigerdangerous]

Methinks the naysayers protesteth too much. No other player who's flown the coop in recent years has copped so much flak. Maybe people valued Brett more than they are willing to let on. :blah

Never valued him; weak minded, soft player. Who has left the Tigers to complete his trophy cabinet. And in no shape or form changed the miserable results of the playing group (talking winning finals and premierships here) over the 12 years he played for the Tigers. A good player yes, a super star. I think not. But if people wish to accept selfish mediocrity that is your prerogative; it’s never been mine.

 

[BT Tiger]

Far better than just a good player, perhaps not quite a superstar. However lids is one of the most talented players to walk through the door at RFC and i'm sad to see him go.

 

[Tigerdangerous]

Far better than just a good player, perhaps not quite a superstar. However lids is one of the most talented players to walk through the door at RFC and i'm sad to see him go.

Talent alone is not enough. Talent has to be mixed with a tough, relentless, burning desire to win and hurt when the game is lost and these are qualities that have been missing for years at Punt Road and the results don’t lie.

Deledio had talent but not the rest. Hopefully we will see some talent and a tough, relentless desire to win every game, every week in season 2017, despite our useless coach (and that is another story). I have no option but to look forward to the 2017 season without Deledio; seeing he chose to leave the club!

 

[BT Tiger]

Talent alone is not enough. Talent has to be mixed with a tough, relentless, burning desire to win and hurt when the game is lost and these are qualities that have been missing for years at Punt Road and the results don’t lie.

Deledio had talent but not the rest. Hopefully we will see some talent and a tough, relentless desire to win every game, every week in season 2017, despite our useless coach (and that is another story). I have no option but to look forward to the 2017 season without Deledio; seeing he chose to leave the club!

Pipe down will you, you sound like Rimau

I read your opinions from your littered responses over the last few pages. I get it, you don't rate him. Doesn't mean the rest of us can't

 

[Tigerdangerous]

Pipe down will you, you sound like Rimau

I read your opinions from your littered responses over the last few pages. I get it, you don't rate him. Doesn't mean the rest of us can't

I don't rate failure and I certainly don't rate your pathetic attempts to belittle my comments without putting together a sensible, coherent counter argument or response. Deledio is gone; he left the club and I'm hoping this is the beginning of a cultural change at Tigerland.

In part fueled by the arrival of Balme that sees less individual performances of so-called talent that has amounted to nothing for the club over many years. And more of what the Bulldog's brought to the table; which if you missed it landed them a bloody premiership. Get it.

 

[gutfull]

Tigerdangerous , Deledio is gone and lm for another glad he is , perhaps needed this to happen to change some culture on individuality within the club .Its got to be BUY IN or go ..

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

It's hard being a Tiger supporter but I'd probably have given up long ago if there was no sentiment involved. Can't follow this game in an emotional vacuum.

 

[TigerMasochist]

I don't rate failure

Guess maybe Lids doesn't rate failure either, at least he was smart enough to leave after twelve years of failure.
Guess it just leaves us nuffers hanging around bitchin n moanin over thirty five years of failure n to stupid to leave a club that just don't rate.

 

[BT Tiger]

I don't rate failure and I certainly don't rate your pathetic attempts to belittle my comments without putting together a sensible, coherent counter argument or response. Deledio is gone; he left the club and I'm hoping this is the beginning of a cultural change at Tigerland.

In part fueled by the arrival of Balme that sees less individual performances of so-called talent that has amounted to nothing for the club over many years. And more of what the Bulldog's brought to the table; which if you missed it landed them a bloody premiership. Get it.

Fair enough about the belittling, I apologise. I'm as disappointed as the next tiger in our fortunes over the last 10 or more years, but you're basically blaming one player for the team results and that is ridiculous. If its been a cultural problem that has kept us down in the dumps for the last 30 years then why would anyone expect 1 particular player to be the catalyst of change. Not everyone is born a leader and you can't expect so much of one player, regardless of how talented he is.

Still one of the best players I've seen and I will regard him as a great player, not just good average player.

 

[Baloo]

If we had a couple more weak, soft, sold centred players like Lids, as opposed to the tough selfless hardnuts like Townsend, Taylor and Moore we might have a lot more Friday night games in 2017

 

[gutfull]

Perhaps we should keep Deledio and all other players that want out ? For me if a player doesn't want to player for the jumper he can forth with
regardsless of his talents , so many years have past with the tigers hanging on to players.
Balme would have had 1 conversation with Lids and said ok we move you on !! and lm for 1 glad it has happened...

 

[Silent Bob]

Jesus H some people are espousing sh!t on this thread. Lets look at some undisputed facts. Deledio was:

-Winner of the Kevin Sheehan medal for best player in the U16 National champs
-AFLPA best first year player
-Rising Star winner
-Youngest player to represent Australia in the international rules series
-Dual Jack Dyer medalist
-Dual all Australian
-Vice Captain of the RFC

To all the naysayers out there, that's the CV of a gun footballer. GWS got their man, RFC got a 1st round pick and Brett got his fresh start. Everyone's a winner. Stop the belly aching and move on.

 

[The_General]

I'd hate to be making wine from all the sour grapes in this thread. Some advocating we trade him while we still can and other re-writing history and calling him overrated since he volunteers to go.

A fickle bunch the tiger fans are, hmmmm?

 

[Tigerdangerous]

Fair enough about the belittling, I apologise. I'm as disappointed as the next tiger in our fortunes over the last 10 or more years, but you're basically blaming one player for the team results and that is ridiculous. If its been a cultural problem that has kept us down in the dumps for the last 30 years then why would anyone expect 1 particular player to be the catalyst of change. Not everyone is born a leader and you can't expect so much of one player, regardless of how talented he is.

Still one of the best players I've seen and I will regard him as a great player, not just good average player.

Apology accepted BT Tiger. Of course I would never blame one player for Richmond’s continued lack of success over many, many years. For any future success the Tigers need to establish a more demanding and accountable culture from top to bottom, including those players that play week in, week out.

Great players by their very determination and sheer will to succeed can make those changes to a club and bring players along with them. Sadly Deledio is not one of those players. I expect a lot from all the players and in particular from No 1 picks. I expect a lot because I want Richmond to win premierships. Deledio’s decision to leave the club does not have me regretting that move at all. On the contrary I hope his departure opens up an opportunity for players to fight to play for the yellow and black that will collectively gell into a premiership side.

As for great players; over many years I’ve seen a few and none greater than Leigh Matthews and Royce Hart although Ian Stewart was pretty handy as well. But what I’d give to have a Jimmy Jess type of player in the side today. Not silky skilled but every coach wants these type of players that are as hard as nails and do the job every week without any fanfare.

 

[gutfull]

Mr Silent , guess you better start to take all your pics of Lids down from your bedroom walls , he has run away , would you like him to be playing for youe club ? if he doesnt want to be there ? well l bloody well wouldnt and l reckon the majorty of players at the club would say the same , ( Carlton ) anyone ....

 

[tigersnake]

It's hard being a Tiger supporter but I'd probably have given up long ago if there was no sentiment involved. Can't follow this game in an emotional vacuum.

probably? ;D geez. Tiger Masochist has the most apt handle IMO. I've been saying for years the hard times make the good ones better, but if the good ones ever come, I may not be able to cope!

 

[tigerman]

I wonder where they play him, i won't be surprised if it's off the back flank.

 

[Silent Bob]

Mr Silent , guess you better start to take all your pics of Lids down from your bedroom walls , he has run away , would you like him to be playing for youe club ? if he doesnt want to be there ? well l bloody well wouldnt and l reckon the majorty of players at the club would say the same , ( Carlton ) anyone ....

Mr Greedy for what its worth I think it was the right move to trade lids, just check my previous posts. But you miss my point; there seems to be quite a few bagging Brett now he has gone, calling him a good ordinary footballer etc, when quite clearly that was not the case. I was just pointing that out.