Long Lost Hernaman said:
Dean Polo was becoming the best Gut Runner in the club last year till he did his shoulder. But there are a lot of others who need to take a leaf out of these guys book.
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Dean Polo was becoming the best Gut Runner in the club last year till he did his shoulder. But there are a lot of others who need to take a leaf out of these guys book.
I think it's about right to compare Deledio to Hird.
First to the big differences. Deledio is not as strong at the same age but is obviously miles quicker. And more evasive. Hird at the same age was better in the air and smarter.
But if you go back and reconsider Hird's season as a 20yo he was no midfielder. In fact for much of his career he was frequently smashed when moved to the midfield. It was only after 25 that he got it together in this regard and in his late 20s that he became unstoppable in the role.
Hird was always a natural forward and a champion one.
Deledio, despite the fact that he has freakish running talents is not a natural runner. He, like Hird, is a natural forward. But only Grant Thomas would have turned him loose in the forward line before now. This would have done nothing to expand his game and would probably have damaged him physically. He could have given us 30-50 goals a year easily but he would not have improved his ball carrying ability, running awareness or delivery in space, areas he has improved tremendously.
Wallet has played him in ideal roles since he got him. To round him out. Couldn't have handled him better IMO. I think he's bitten the bullet on Lids now, decided that his path to the midfield will be a longer one and that it's time to turn the kid loose in the role he's best suited to, that of a forward.
Lids is a gun. 20 with a bullet. Wallet will pull the trigger in 2008 and Deledio will go ballistic. ;D
First to the big differences. Deledio is not as strong at the same age but is obviously miles quicker. And more evasive. Hird at the same age was better in the air and smarter.
But if you go back and reconsider Hird's season as a 20yo he was no midfielder. In fact for much of his career he was frequently smashed when moved to the midfield. It was only after 25 that he got it together in this regard and in his late 20s that he became unstoppable in the role.
Hird was always a natural forward and a champion one.
Deledio, despite the fact that he has freakish running talents is not a natural runner. He, like Hird, is a natural forward. But only Grant Thomas would have turned him loose in the forward line before now. This would have done nothing to expand his game and would probably have damaged him physically. He could have given us 30-50 goals a year easily but he would not have improved his ball carrying ability, running awareness or delivery in space, areas he has improved tremendously.
Wallet has played him in ideal roles since he got him. To round him out. Couldn't have handled him better IMO. I think he's bitten the bullet on Lids now, decided that his path to the midfield will be a longer one and that it's time to turn the kid loose in the role he's best suited to, that of a forward.
Lids is a gun. 20 with a bullet. Wallet will pull the trigger in 2008 and Deledio will go ballistic. ;D
Big call Jack. Hird is in rarefied air.
I too think Lids is on the verge for 2008. With a few extra Kg's he could be a match up nightmare. At 20 he still is a pup, just a boy, barely scratched the surface of what he can do. Scary stuff.
I hate cricket season. Any chance we can get things cranking with a Xmas carnival.
I too think Lids is on the verge for 2008. With a few extra Kg's he could be a match up nightmare. At 20 he still is a pup, just a boy, barely scratched the surface of what he can do. Scary stuff.
I hate cricket season. Any chance we can get things cranking with a Xmas carnival.
Since Day One I have always considered Deledio a possible "Hird". I have a running jibe with a good mate (Essendon supporter) he will be "the next Hird".
He has thge attitude, professionalism and since we recruited him had dimensions comparable to Hird. Of course takes a lot more than similar size to be a player, point is though, if you look at most of the gun true midfielders they are shorter.
Like Hird, as a kid Deledio will learn about physical intensity and how to read a far quicker game than what he was used to by playing on a half forward / haf back line. Give him a couple of years (I think he will be stronger than Hird). IN fact physically I think he could exceed Hird.
The question mark is talent/instincts/vision. Hird had exceptional talent/instincts for the game. Yet is is unfair to say Deledio has the same level or does not until he has had a good 5 years in the system to develop his body and learn the game. The game is about far more than statistics, height/weight and logging time in. Some players never learn how to read the play, comprehend the work rate required on and off the field, find the courage etc.
We're on a winner here. I have no doubt in my heart of hearts Deledio will be "the next Hird". It's a tough tag to put on a kid and I would never do so publically if I was in a official role at the club as I don't like putting too much pressure on kids. Especially that born of expectations. I think those pushing for him to play more ni the midfield are more putting their personal excitment/dreams on him than thinking about what is truly best for his development. The game is a lot faster more demanding now than the days where you just plugged a guy at a position to learn the game.
He may fall a little short, he may end up a little better. But he will be in the same company as Hird.
He has thge attitude, professionalism and since we recruited him had dimensions comparable to Hird. Of course takes a lot more than similar size to be a player, point is though, if you look at most of the gun true midfielders they are shorter.
Like Hird, as a kid Deledio will learn about physical intensity and how to read a far quicker game than what he was used to by playing on a half forward / haf back line. Give him a couple of years (I think he will be stronger than Hird). IN fact physically I think he could exceed Hird.
The question mark is talent/instincts/vision. Hird had exceptional talent/instincts for the game. Yet is is unfair to say Deledio has the same level or does not until he has had a good 5 years in the system to develop his body and learn the game. The game is about far more than statistics, height/weight and logging time in. Some players never learn how to read the play, comprehend the work rate required on and off the field, find the courage etc.
We're on a winner here. I have no doubt in my heart of hearts Deledio will be "the next Hird". It's a tough tag to put on a kid and I would never do so publically if I was in a official role at the club as I don't like putting too much pressure on kids. Especially that born of expectations. I think those pushing for him to play more ni the midfield are more putting their personal excitment/dreams on him than thinking about what is truly best for his development. The game is a lot faster more demanding now than the days where you just plugged a guy at a position to learn the game.
He may fall a little short, he may end up a little better. But he will be in the same company as Hird.
IMO Lids was never a genuine mid, he was always a finisher
he should be played deep in the fwd line, where his smarts, skills & pace would be devestating to defenders, we are pulling together enough speed and skill around the ball to not rely on Lids in the middle
i believe you play your most skilled and smartest players in the fwd line, with lids there we have 4
Browny, Cotchin, Morton and Lids - smarts and skill
Pettifer, Richo & Patto to provide the grunt and marking power
Edwards or Tambling to provide speed & crumbing
he should be played deep in the fwd line, where his smarts, skills & pace would be devestating to defenders, we are pulling together enough speed and skill around the ball to not rely on Lids in the middle
i believe you play your most skilled and smartest players in the fwd line, with lids there we have 4
Browny, Cotchin, Morton and Lids - smarts and skill
Pettifer, Richo & Patto to provide the grunt and marking power
Edwards or Tambling to provide speed & crumbing
I think a lot of people made comparisons Lids=ju$$, some similarities in size and speed but 2 different footballers atmTango said:
Let Lids play where he can hurt the opposition, his time may come to play mid, but could also float between fwd & mid
Nice comment by Sanchez McMahon re Lids:
"And I reckon Brett Deledio [is flying]. 'Lids' is a pretty solid player at the moment. He's pretty powerful, pretty strong, he's built up a lot and he's quick too, so I think he's a bit of a package at the moment and he could show a lot this year, I reckon."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=6301&newsId=54154
"And I reckon Brett Deledio [is flying]. 'Lids' is a pretty solid player at the moment. He's pretty powerful, pretty strong, he's built up a lot and he's quick too, so I think he's a bit of a package at the moment and he could show a lot this year, I reckon."
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=6301&newsId=54154
Long Lost Hernaman said:
You could say that as well.
Anyone can say - "hey all Deledio needs to do is become superfit - fitter than the opposition and he will make it to the elite status" - that's a statement of the bloody obvious really - well done.
The trick is (1) identifying if a player is physically & mentally capable of these so called 'gut running' heights to play midfield and (2) knowing how to train a player to these levels if he is capable. Out coaching staff would be still assessing where Deledio's best position is and it may not be a "gut running" midfielder. I hope it is as the guy is pure talent, but it may not be.
So what was the prognosis on the Deledio up forward experiment in round 1?
Personally I thought his game was one of the most disappointing aspects of the night.
Seemed to be quite well held by Jordan Bannister and seemed to lack a little of his usual spark.
Whilst two goals was an ok return(one from a dubious free) I'd expect a vastly improved effort against the Roos & coming weeks if he's to be persisted with in the forward line.
Personally I thought his game was one of the most disappointing aspects of the night.
Seemed to be quite well held by Jordan Bannister and seemed to lack a little of his usual spark.
Whilst two goals was an ok return(one from a dubious free) I'd expect a vastly improved effort against the Roos & coming weeks if he's to be persisted with in the forward line.
He played poorly last week yet he still ended up with 2 goals. I think Wallace should persist with him in the forward line cause he is just so dangerous when he gets the ball near goals. he needs to take whatever Jake king's on and then he'll be complete!
Personally I think we're wasting him. I don't mind him going forward for a rest or a cameo but I would've liked to have seen him develop as a midfielder. Don't tell me he doesn't have what it takes. He's twice the talent, twice the smarts, and at least as physically strong and athletic as Jacko at the same age. We gave Jacko time in the midfield and many a pre-season to work on his motor and now look where he's at. Jacko occasionally has a cameo up forward (similar size and marking strength) and goes ok.
Imagine where Lids could be with a similar approach. I reckon he'd easily be an elite running mid - heck, he's better than Cam Howat right now that's for sure.
Imagine where Lids could be with a similar approach. I reckon he'd easily be an elite running mid - heck, he's better than Cam Howat right now that's for sure.
I'm a big fan of 'what' Lids promises to be. Have seen glimpses but for some reason that is all he's shown - whether in part it is due to his personal journey towards maturity (he's not quite there yet) or the fact that we expect so much from our youngsters these days is for someone to make judgement on.
He clearly has an exceptional talent when he has the footy, but does he demonstrate the same desire as Richo to get it? OK perhaps an unfair comparison as there is only one Richo, but does he ever really demand the ball or look to make the 50-50's HIS? While coaching can improve positional play and skills, making a personal mark on a game is not something can necessarily be taught to someone. While I'm sure that in time he will have a greater impact in the outcome of specific games, does he need a little bit of help now from Wallet?
For example when he's on, Lids is magnificent but at other times he can easily go missing. I think that one of the contributing factors might be the lack of a steady position for him. There is a lot to learn as a young footballer, especially if your role often changes. We know that players tend to develop at different rates and that should be taken into account, but can that be helped at all with other tools at the coaches disposal? Or there's always another possibility.
Attitude.
Note: it is not necessarily the case or my conclusion.
But I wonder. One powerful phsycological tool at the coaches disposal is not always used. The bench and furthermore a week or 2 in the VFL. On one hand we want our best players out on the park every week, but what if they were to become passangers? We are in no position to be carrying players based on potential when there is a long list of young players who need game time. And sometimes that effect of being dropped or benched can have a positive ending, but it is how players respond to it that determines the outcome. Watching your mates battle it out from the pine (or the stands) can do wonders for the 'hunger' factor in my opinion. And this needn't apply only to Brett as there are others who are much further behind in terms of consistancy, he is just the focus of this topic.
Just a thought...
Having said that it is only the beginning of his forth season and it's not like his time is rapidly approaching it's end just yet.
I believe that Brett like the club is heading in the right direction but I just wonder if we haven't begun to see him step up a gear by mid-season, should there be some form of intervention? It seems as though Terry has tried to do his bit to demand some respect for the club with the media, but will he now be prepared to back it up the talk with some tough calls or will it be more of the same? People here won't need any reminding of the missed opportunities when tough calls were needed at this club, especially over the past 5 or so years. A winning mentallity must start at the top if it is ever going to become a culture again at the club.
Sorry for my rant but that's life,
I'm Derrin Hinch
:hihi
He clearly has an exceptional talent when he has the footy, but does he demonstrate the same desire as Richo to get it? OK perhaps an unfair comparison as there is only one Richo, but does he ever really demand the ball or look to make the 50-50's HIS? While coaching can improve positional play and skills, making a personal mark on a game is not something can necessarily be taught to someone. While I'm sure that in time he will have a greater impact in the outcome of specific games, does he need a little bit of help now from Wallet?
For example when he's on, Lids is magnificent but at other times he can easily go missing. I think that one of the contributing factors might be the lack of a steady position for him. There is a lot to learn as a young footballer, especially if your role often changes. We know that players tend to develop at different rates and that should be taken into account, but can that be helped at all with other tools at the coaches disposal? Or there's always another possibility.
Attitude.
Note: it is not necessarily the case or my conclusion.
But I wonder. One powerful phsycological tool at the coaches disposal is not always used. The bench and furthermore a week or 2 in the VFL. On one hand we want our best players out on the park every week, but what if they were to become passangers? We are in no position to be carrying players based on potential when there is a long list of young players who need game time. And sometimes that effect of being dropped or benched can have a positive ending, but it is how players respond to it that determines the outcome. Watching your mates battle it out from the pine (or the stands) can do wonders for the 'hunger' factor in my opinion. And this needn't apply only to Brett as there are others who are much further behind in terms of consistancy, he is just the focus of this topic.
Just a thought...
Having said that it is only the beginning of his forth season and it's not like his time is rapidly approaching it's end just yet.
I believe that Brett like the club is heading in the right direction but I just wonder if we haven't begun to see him step up a gear by mid-season, should there be some form of intervention? It seems as though Terry has tried to do his bit to demand some respect for the club with the media, but will he now be prepared to back it up the talk with some tough calls or will it be more of the same? People here won't need any reminding of the missed opportunities when tough calls were needed at this club, especially over the past 5 or so years. A winning mentallity must start at the top if it is ever going to become a culture again at the club.
Sorry for my rant but that's life,
I'm Derrin Hinch
:hihi
Worked wonders for Joel Bowden. 
eep
Can't see them dropping him any time soon.
Gotta remember Lids is only 20 but you'd hope he'd go up a big notch in his 4th year.
Thursday night wasn't a great start..
eepCan't see them dropping him any time soon.
Gotta remember Lids is only 20 but you'd hope he'd go up a big notch in his 4th year.
Thursday night wasn't a great start..
