Brandon Ellis

[tigerlove]

was good tonight except for 1 or 2 misdermeanors, no problems, some have no idea. similar game to vlossys and kmacs pretty good but coulda been better.

Used the ball very poorly. Was not a good game. But he's been going fairly well thie last few games so can be given some slack.

 

[Coburgtiger]

I'm not the only one that thinks those rankings are flawed.
Houli is awarded best on ground. From the tv he looked to be instrumental in our win. Did the hard yards when it counted.

Some Essendon players are ranked high on the back of a last quarter when Richmond had the cue and big Tom in the rack. Pressure eased off....

So using those aflplaye ratings is a waste of time

I'm not sure 'awarded best on ground' is any better a metric then the player ratings.

The player ratings show up things you might not see, as a fan, otherwise.

They take into account everything a player does. They don't just see 6 flashy things that make you ignore the rest. A player is awarded best on ground by mug punters. We all know how blind the 'experts' are.

Having said that, the player ratings, like any stat, don't show the whole story, miss some of the intangibles, and rate ball use/creativity as the single most important stat. Some would argue that it isn't.

It is interesting to see which highly thought of players tend to be consistently ineffective. And which lowly players are doing things you don't see.

 

[Bill James]

Houli is awarded best on ground. From the tv he looked to be instrumental in our win. Did the hard yards when it counted.

So using those aflplaye ratings is a waste of time

the AFL player ratings may be a waste of time, but so are most of his disposals.

 

[Tiger Pops]

for me, right now - the Best tackler in the team. His method is brilliant, pins both hands, rolls the player without pushing in the back.

Keep it up Brando !

 

[Brimmy]

Whipping Boy’s a hard tag to shake,if Bobble was leading the “Jack Dyer” count I bet their would be some PRE posters who would want him dropped next week and traded in October.
Gut Runners don’t grow on trees,and he suits our Game Plan perfectly.
Could he tidy up his disposal and make better decisions from time to time,?....sure,but you could say that about most of the team.
I reckon Bobbles a consistent performer and we should cut him some slack.

 

[Tenacious]

Whipping Boy’s a hard tag to shake,if Bobble was leading the “Jack Dyer” count I bet their would be some PRE posters who would want him dropped next week and traded in October.
Gut Runners don’t grow on trees,and he suits our Game Plan perfectly.
Could he tidy up his disposal and make better decisions from time to time,?....sure,but you could say that about most of the team.
I reckon Bobbles a consistent performer and we should cut him some slack.

Sensible post

 

[jb03]

Whipping Boy’s a hard tag to shake,if Bobble was leading the “Jack Dyer” count I bet their would be some PRE posters who would want him dropped next week and traded in October.
Gut Runners don’t grow on trees,and he suits our Game Plan perfectly.
Could he tidy up his disposal and make better decisions from time to time,?....sure,but you could say that about most of the team.
I reckon Bobbles a consistent performer and we should cut him some slack.

That Ellis is a "gut runner" is a fallacy. He couldn't even keep up with Heppell or Zahrakis.

 

[Ian4]

That Ellis is a "gut runner" is a fallacy. He couldn't even keep up with Heppell or Zahrakis.

there is a big difference between a gut runner and a great athlete. and I think we all know which one Ellis is.

 

[Sintiger]

Some people are really tough on Brandon. Wasn’t his best game for the year but It wasn’t a poor game at all.

 

[Baloo]

Whipping Boy’s a hard tag to shake,if Bobble was leading the “Jack Dyer” count I bet their would be some PRE posters who would want him dropped next week and traded in October.

That's a sign of a true Whipping Boy. The Daniel Jackson is a Dud Fallacy

 

[tropicaltiger]

https://twitter.com/AFLPlayerRating/status/1132259368697602048?s=19
You are right some have no idea.

haha your twitter stats also ranked 11 bombers superior to houli, yeah backs up your way of judging footy... your kidding yourself and insulting our coaching staff.

 

[tropicaltiger]

for me, right now - the Best tackler in the team. His method is brilliant, pins both hands, rolls the player without pushing in the back.

Keep it up Brando !

yes he often avoids the direct contest when knows he not in the prime spot to win the ball cleanly and prefers to keep his feet and then pounce. keeping his feet.... to be that tackler/mop up/ link/ exit player. got a feeling a few on here see it as a weakness rather that it being part of his role and a good strength of his.

 

[tropicaltiger]

What was he thinking with the kick across the backline?

[size=12pt]How does his mind work?[/size]

was a poor kick then bounced at right angles to his intended player, kicks it alright and maybe sets up a goal. non issue for mine same as when grimes fell over and cost us a goal, slippery conditions can be diabolical if you try and rush things ;D

 

[tropicaltiger]

Used the ball very poorly. Was not a good game. But he's been going fairly well thie last few games so can be given some slack.

ball use by foot was average but no worst than prestias, martins, bakers or houlis who all had fine games, ellis has used the ball by hand this year beautifully.

 

[Sintiger]

I watched the replay last night. Brandon was immense in the last 7-8 minutes when a cool head was required.

Really stood up

 

[tigerdell]

I'm not sure 'awarded best on ground' is any better a metric then the player ratings.

The player ratings show up things you might not see, as a fan, otherwise.

They take into account everything a player does. They don't just see 6 flashy things that make you ignore the rest. A player is awarded best on ground by mug punters. We all know how blind the 'experts' are.

Having said that, the player ratings, like any stat, don't show the whole story, miss some of the intangibles, and rate ball use/creativity as the single most important stat. Some would argue that it isn't.

It is interesting to see which highly thought of players tend to be consistently ineffective. And which lowly players are doing things you don't see.

Maybe there is some benefit. But the ratings were used to justify the claim that Ellis was poor. And the rankings purport to show who performed best.

Those rating considered essendon players were best because of a high ranking last quarter, when the game was over. So there is an obvious flaw. The intent is to win matches not supercoach points.
Now if Langford had carried the bombers over the line it could be considered as a best on ground performance. But not this time.

The second flaw is more subjective, that a player who's role is to move the ball, start the attacks, break lines etc is considered ineffective because he has 30+ disposals and many of them were intercepted and returned to our defensive half.
To my mind that is the nature of the beast in todays footy, all sides set up behind the ball and intercept or cutoff so many attacks. But we need this ball movement, and not just down the line dave.
So how the rankings can consider Houli so low suggests that creative ball movement is negatively biased.

 

[tigerdell]

the AFL player ratings may be a waste of time, but so are most of his disposals.

Houli? He got a lot of it because he kept presenting and giving options. And moved the ball on to where his teammates knew it was going.

Some of it may have been wasted but it was all very predictable to the team. And this gave us the best opportunity to win.
So i dont see why there is any angst

 

[tigerdell]

I watched the replay last night. Brandon was immense in the last 7-8 minutes when a cool head was required.

Really stood up

He was. Ripper tackle too

 

[spook]

Maybe there is some benefit. But the ratings were used to justify the claim that Ellis was poor. And the rankings purport to show who performed best.

Those rating considered essendon players were best because of a high ranking last quarter, when the game was over. So there is an obvious flaw. The intent is to win matches not supercoach points.
Now if Langford had carried the bombers over the line it could be considered as a best on ground performance. But not this time.

The second flaw is more subjective, that a player who's role is to move the ball, start the attacks, break lines etc is considered ineffective because he has 30+ disposals and many of them were intercepted and returned to our defensive half.
To my mind that is the nature of the beast in todays footy, all sides set up behind the ball and intercept or cutoff so many attacks. But we need this ball movement, and not just down the line dave.
So how the rankings can consider Houli so low suggests that creative ball movement is negatively biased.

Great post, delly.

 

[MD Jazz]

Maybe there is some benefit. But the ratings were used to justify the claim that Ellis was poor. And the rankings purport to show who performed best.

Those rating considered essendon players were best because of a high ranking last quarter, when the game was over. So there is an obvious flaw. The intent is to win matches not supercoach points.
Now if Langford had carried the bombers over the line it could be considered as a best on ground performance. But not this time.

The second flaw is more subjective, that a player who's role is to move the ball, start the attacks, break lines etc is considered ineffective because he has 30+ disposals and many of them were intercepted and returned to our defensive half.
To my mind that is the nature of the beast in todays footy, all sides set up behind the ball and intercept or cutoff so many attacks. But we need this ball movement, and not just down the line dave.
So how the rankings can consider Houli so low suggests that creative ball movement is negatively biased.

Houli is not really a creative ball mover IMO. Houli is more a kick it long to a safer spot (like Short) type ball mover.

Edwards is a creative ball mover (best in the AFL), dusty is a creative ball mover. Both are highly ranked so not sure creative ball movement is negatively biased.

Agree with other stuff on the ratings if so many Essendon guys were ranked above our guys.