Absolutely spot on. Should be in our top 5 not bottom 5 of our best side. Has been lucky this year with injuries which have given him a chance.Ian4 said:
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Brandon Ellis
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So according to you Ellis should be up there with Cotch, Dusty, Tross n Jaaack to make it into our best five players. Ahead of Shedda, Presty, Lynch, Nank, Lamblett, Grub, Rioli, Bash etc etc. Bloody laughable dud one. Out of form he's fringing 20 to 25 on the list. In form he's a quality second tier player interchangeable anywhere around 8 to 15 in the side.frawleyudud said:
Geez! Nah. Decent enough player in form but never premium.frawleyudud said:
Perhaps that's why you're such a grumpy bastard ;D, bagging out players n coaches left right n centre. Way over rating the playing list
Ian4 said:
Don't understand this thinking personally. He is what he is, not what some supporters imagined he could be. And what he is is a premiership player in some of his best form.
He is also a leader standing up when we desperately need one.
If 'bottom six of the top 18' of the best side over the last three years is what he is, I'll take it.
Brandon Ellis interview
https://player.whooshkaa.com/player/playlist/show/1920?visual=true&sharing=true&episode=376229
https://player.whooshkaa.com/player/playlist/show/1920?visual=true&sharing=true&episode=376229
Ian4 said:
Why?
He's not faster than those blokes. Or stronger. Or more agile, or athletically gifted.
I don't understand being annoyed at him because he should be better. He works as hard as any of them. If he isn't better, then he isn't better.
FWIW, there've been a lot of games this year I've had him above Prestia and Houli. Lambo's a horse of a different colour.
Coburgtiger said:
actually he is athletically gifted. thats his biggest asset.
If you look at his season averages according to footywire, his stats peaked in 2014 and 2015 before dropping off. and virtually all of his Career Statistical Rankings and Career Highlights were pre the 2015 elimination final. I admit we are a lower possession team these days, but it still backs up my argument.
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-richmond-tigers--brandon-ellis
Ian4 said:
What is your argument? That he should be better? How? Saying that either means he doesn't work hard enough, or isn't trying. Say what you want about Ellis, but you can't question his work ethic.
Also, stats aside, the last couple of games he's played have been the best of his career.
No coincidence that's happening with him playing (finally) in his actual position.
Now if the argument is that his development has been stymied by poor ultra defensive game plans early in his career, and being played out of position, then I could maybe see a point. But just being critical of Ellis because he's not the player some people imagined is odd. If he has to measure up to a Richmond supporters optimism, he's always going to fall short. Even Martin does.
Bobbles weapon is his run.
Thats why he plays best on the wing.
But his contested stuff is still horrible at times which is interesting because he has the ability to play harder and has done so.
He is one of the better more reliable kicks at goal though also.
Thats why he plays best on the wing.
But his contested stuff is still horrible at times which is interesting because he has the ability to play harder and has done so.
He is one of the better more reliable kicks at goal though also.
He's a bit of an enigma, is Brandon.
His best is pretty damn good.
His wobbles are pretty telling.
His best is pretty damn good.
His wobbles are pretty telling.
These type of days aren't good Brandon days normally. Let's see how he fares. It'll be a good indicator of how his mental strength has improved.
