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Brandon Ellis
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Ellis plays the team role and I thought he was great in the first half, had a couple of horrors in the 3rd and finished strongly in the final q.
I cant tell from the tele but normally the positioning is a strategic move. If he plays man on man then it opens space for the swans to exit through the square and attack straight up the ground.
Instead he pushes the clearing defensive kick out wide, slowing the swans and enabling our back to shift across.
All the talk is about structures to reduce the effectiveness of the opposition's attacks. I have no problem with Brando's team play
I cant tell from the tele but normally the positioning is a strategic move. If he plays man on man then it opens space for the swans to exit through the square and attack straight up the ground.
Instead he pushes the clearing defensive kick out wide, slowing the swans and enabling our back to shift across.
All the talk is about structures to reduce the effectiveness of the opposition's attacks. I have no problem with Brando's team play
gehring said:
Agree. Very noticeable at the game not so obvious on TV....
Stark contrast to the opposite wing where Kamdyn was contesting like a lunatic.
yeah sure.Giardiasis said:
2 people can sit down and watch Brandon Ellis play and reach different conclusions because we have different subjectivity biases and things we value in a footballer. Doesn’t make one view less valid because we have done the same thing and reached different conclusions but it does allow one to express a view that the other has an opinion that is incorrect.
I have a view on the way Brando plays that is based on what I see and whilst it may not be the same view as others it is a valid view.
Play all the semantics you like but it adds nothing to the discussion on Brandon Ellis
He's been good last couple. Can't complain if that's his base level. Sure he's not as hard as others but you need your outside run players too and they are often maligned for not going in when they probably should but it can be a fine line. Hopefully he continues with that level of footy but there's no doubt he is now a depth player at the Tigers.
agincourt said:
Ahh, the good old P-Train chase.
Some people are naturally less fond of initiating contact than others, which is fine. But there’s two types of soft IMO:
1. Zero intent. Deep down player doesn’t want to initiate contact if he can get away with it.
2. Has intent, but not a natural aggression for it - e.g. Bachar Houli
Brando is still in the P-Brain category.
Compare his chasing to a young Houli, who never instinctively wanted contact, but he put his heart/spirit/soul into making it work. Now he’s good, and nearly a Norm Smith winner.
Brando could one day become a player capable of winning a Norm Smith like Houli. But he needs to put his soul into addressing this like Houli did. It’s hard to do and Houli doesn’t get enough credit for his improvement in this area.
spook said:
To be courageous, you need to fear something and do it anyway.
I respect anyone brave enough to play footy, but I consider running as a form of determination and pain tolerance... so we can celebrate Brando’s determination and will. Great character traits.
But mislabeling that “courage” is making an excuse for his lack of courage, because you respect his other qualities.
Bachar Houli is courageous - He spent years looking within himself to learn how to erase all hesitation. Now he’s unflinching in every contest. It’s amazing.
Brando has determination, strong will, and pushes through pain barriers that most others can’t... I’d like to see him add some of Houli’s qualities to that mix.
123kid said:
Don't totally agree with Houli statement - and I'm a Bachar fan.
He has certainly improved over the years particularly when he is likely to get crunched. He used to have a tendency to occasionally shirk it in such situations.
But I still reckon there can be times when in a real pressure situation he panics and gives away the ball too quickly and inaccurately - just to be out of the action.
Of course overall his good far outweighs his bad.
Same could be said for Brando.
123kid said:
Houli handles the contact by slowing down and letting the opposing player pick up the ball then tackling the player with the ball.
Putting his head over the hard ball is not Houli's way.
Did this twice in the weekend, and how he laid two of his three tackles.
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The shirking, panic under pressure and turnovers under no pressure are JUST outweighed by the good. If it came down to Stack, Ellis or Houli for the last spot in the team, Ellis and Houli are not playing in my backyard.Tenacious said:
yandb said:
Can't be too much of a worry then if this is true. He only averages 2.5 tackles a game over his career. Personally I don't agree. Seen him go in for it many times and put his body on the line but he is a designated link player so more likely in a game to run to a receiving position rather than contesting for the ball.
