Beefed-up Tigers (RFC)

[TigerMasochist]

The Demons of late are doing a lot of Greco roman style wrestling as part of their conditioning, can't get more functional than that if you are a forward or a back on the AFL field.

Roy n HG doin the commentary?

Just strikes me funny bone how something so old n simple can be deemed functional in the high tech world of modern sport science. Guess it's like Tommy says, a 20kg dumbell still weighs 20kg even if it is old n rusty.

 

[JB11]

I think these days JB you don't get a head S&C job at a footy club without at the very least a Masters in your field of study and many go further and have a PHD. This has it's strengths and weaknesses, obviously the amount of study undertaken you have some very bright people running the show. However I have met very few who really have the combination of education and the experience of really hitting the weights hard.

totally agree with you here

you might remember Noel Duncan, very knowledgable in his field, great for conditioning the boys in terms of running
but when it came to the gym , he was ok , but didnt really challenge the boys to improve or teach them correct lifting and form
i rated Matt Hornsby better than ND

 

[JB11]

What's functional training? Using kettleballs and bosu balls? Can't remember the last time I saw any of those on a footy field. I think some of these S&C guys always try to do something different when barbell and dumbbell work will always be king for strength. If a player is injured or coming back from injury then it might have some value but I bet if I went to an Eagles, Crows, Cats training session they would be doing some serious squats, deads, and military presses it shows on their physiques.

You seem to know your stuff JB11, Vitargo is a quality product and it amazes me what you said about the people in charge not knowing about. The players are probably using some crap like Musashi Bulk instead.

yes mate, bulk was one , the players liked the taste
im not a big fan of the musashi range but they were a sponsor

 

[JB11]

the rest of their (Dees) training habits leave a lot to be desired tho. Richmond do a bit of wrestling too at the moment, most clubs would be now that they are starting to understand it a bit more.

I think free weights are the way to go, but there is no point doing free weights if you arent going to perform the movement correctly. That is what I have seen happen, and also what JB11 saw too from I have read. The best programming in the world cant prevent players not doing it properly, this is where having a good Strength & Conditioning Coach comes into play.

Not loading up and actually taking the time to get the technique locked in is massively important. You don't add weight to faulty movement patterns.Kettlebells are ok if done properly, but like anything, they are another handy tool to have in the belt.

Great thread this is turning out to be.

faulty movement and heavier weight leads to injuries

 

[linuscambridge]

you might remember Noel Duncan, very knowledgable in his field, great for conditioning the boys in terms of running
but when it came to the gym , he was ok , but didnt really challenge the boys to improve or teach them correct lifting and form
i rated Matt Hornsby better than ND

Great guy Noel, did his PHD on Clenbuterol before even most of the bodybuilders knew what it was, very intelligent and came to the club a doctor in his field. Matt of course only completed his Masters a few years ago so spent most of his time at the club with just a degree in exercise science, which really is the bare minimum, but that of course does not mean he couldn't do his job well.

When Noel was at the club they had completely outsourced the training services to Fitness to Live which then employed all the appropriate staff. It was actually way before its time as a concept but never made it past the Wallace years and budget cuts in training services, when all other clubs were going the other way and increasing resources for strength and conditioning.

At its peak we had 3 PHD candidates writing the conditioning programs at Richmond, which was 2 more than Collingwood at the time where Buttifant had taken over Noel's job.

But yes you are correct, Noel had sloppy form!

 

[tigertime2]

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[IrockZ]

yes mate, bulk was one , the players liked the taste
im not a big fan of the musashi range but they were a sponsor

Of course they would, filled with heaps of sugars. The new Gold formula is a bit better and I hope they have swiched to that.

 

[TigerMoz]

It shouldn't matter who the sponsor is. Players need to use what is best for them.

 

[D85]

RE Supps: I was always under the impression that Musashi is a preferred brand, because testing done on the product shows that their nutrient breakdown (as written on their packaging & labels) is closer to accurate compared to other brands.

An AIS sport scientist told me this for what it's worth.


RE Qualifications: From my experience, having a masters/phd doesn't always equate to being any good in the field. Gotta have a blend of the academic with actual experience. I have dealt with several people who have completed their Masters in S&C but outside of their required placement hours done in their degree and masters, have zero hands on experience.

 

[IrockZ]

It shouldn't matter who the sponsor is. Players need to use what is best for them.

Agree.

D85 - I dont take notice of "studies" like that, Musashi are probably the ones that funded it. It's common place in the supplement industry. There are much better brands out there.

 

[IrockZ]

RE Supps: I was always under the impression that Musashi is a preferred brand, because testing done on the product shows that their nutrient breakdown (as written on their packaging & labels) is closer to accurate compared to other brands.

An AIS sport scientist told me this for what it's worth.


RE Qualifications: From my experience, having a masters/phd doesn't always equate to being any good in the field. Gotta have a blend of the academic with actual experience. I have dealt with several people who have completed their Masters in S&C but outside of their required placement hours done in their degree and masters, have zero hands on experience.

Spot on. They might have 5 degress but it would be hard for me to take strength advice from someone built like a twig. For all the crap "the weapon" took last season, atleast he practises what he preaches. He is huge.

 

[AstuteTiger]

There are much better brands out there.

Absolutely!!! i prefer http://www.optimumnutrition.com/ and for players who want to pack on the weight they should be using serious mass (weigth gainer) http://www.optimumnutrition.com/products/serious-mass-p-241.html which has 1250 calories per serve and 250 carbs per serve (crazy) and they can load up with more calories/carbs by adding milk (500 mills) a couple scoops of ice cream & 1 tablespoon of peanut butter, must be put into a blender with serious mass for bout 30 secs as its too thick to simply just shake in a shaker....
To know more bout 'ON' well for anyone who's interested have a read on their about us page http://www.optimumnutrition.com/about.php

The above links are from the USA but depending where u live in Oz just Google ur nearest supplier and theirs also many online sites which sell Optimum Nutrition for example http://www.mrsupplement.com.au/optimum-nutrition

 

[D85]

Agree.

D85 - I dont take notice of "studies" like that, Musashi are probably the ones that funded it. It's common place in the supplement industry. There are much better brands out there.

I definitely agree with that, the guy I was chatting to said that they (the AIS) did their own in house testing, and that Musashi and an Australian company whose name escapes were the most accurate ones.

Personally I use Optimum Nutrition.

 

[JB11]

optimum nutrition is great value for the price , especially the new one Platinum Hydro Builder, and the gold standard is great too


my personal fav is an aussie brand called UPS , i know the owner of the company
he is an Australian Champion bodybuilder

UPS iso -85+ is the best low carb protein on the market ,
its ONE scoop for 42 grams of protein,very nice taste which is important

alot of other companies are 3 scoops to make up to 40 grams of protein , so they have fillers added (cheaper to make)
we have had alot success with this type of protein

and its an aussie company , so we should support them

 

[JB11]

It shouldn't matter who the sponsor is. Players need to use what is best for them.

i totally agree

 

[JB11]

Spot on. They might have 5 degress but it would be hard for me to take strength advice from someone built like a twig. For all the crap "the weapon" took last season, atleast he practises what he preaches. He is huge.

any one know what peptides are ?

 

[JB11]

Absolutely!!! i prefer http://www.optimumnutrition.com/ and for players who want to pack on the weight they should be using serious mass (weigth gainer) http://www.optimumnutrition.com/products/serious-mass-p-241.html which has 1250 calories per serve and 250 carbs per serve (crazy) and they can load up with more calories/carbs by adding milk (500 mills) a couple scoops of ice cream & 1 tablespoon of peanut butter, must be put into a blender with serious mass for bout 30 secs as its too thick to simply just shake in a shaker....
To know more bout 'ON' well for anyone who's interested have a read on their about us page http://www.optimumnutrition.com/about.php

The above links are from the USA but depending where u live in Oz just Google ur nearest supplier and theirs also many online sites which sell Optimum Nutrition for example http://www.mrsupplement.com.au/optimum-nutrition

astute, thats good for the very light players ,
i would prefer to drop the ice cream and milk , there are better ways of getting sustainable carbs for building
if you eat enough clean calories you can put on lean mass without the unwanted fat ,even the really ectomorph types as well

 

[AstuteTiger]

astute, thats good for the very light players ,
i would prefer to drop the ice cream and milk , there are better ways of getting sustainable carbs for building
if you eat enough clean calories you can put on lean mass without the unwanted fat ,even the really ectomorph types as well

True that was the aim of my post directed at players like Mcbean or when shane edwards first arrived basically guys who r really thin...

 

[JB11]

mcbean i havnt met , but shed has slowly put on a " little " bit of weight

 

[TigerMoz]

I was built like McBean at his age and did everything I could to put on much needed kg's. At 6'2 and 70kg's I was seriously not footy material but with a lot of eating I got to 75kg. Couldn't move on from that for a number of years though such was my ectomorphic metabolism. I really hope there are people at the club who can help McBean get to his required 100kg asap because we otherwise have a giraffe in the 2s.

Help request:
While we're on it I am now over 105kg and want to get back to a healthy 90-95kg. I've just dropped the beers, stepped up the exercise (can't run due to dodgy ankle) and am beginning to eat better. Any suggestions would be most welcome...