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Bachar Houli - بشار حولي,

New York Tiger said:
A couple of articles re Ramadan and Sports:

http://bacharhouli.com.au/a-tough-time-in-footy-and-my-ramadan-diet

http://olympics.time.com/2012/07/12/how-to-compete-in-the-olympics-while-fasting-for-ramadan/

Intersting reading. It's amazing the commitment Houli puts into both his faith and his football. That diet would be uncomfortable, and tiring, it's amazing he can do that while training and playing.

The second article is the more interesting, it describes Islam as a "practical and flexible religion", within which many Muslim athletes have been able to maintain their religious adherence without necessarily fasting.

From the little research I've done, I understand that the notion of fasting allows for some flexibility about when an individual fasts. If days are missed, for legitimate reasons, they can be made up. Similarly, I believe that if they are unable to fast, they can make it up by feeding people in need.

Surely these options would be availiable to Bachar? I understand if his sense of discipline dictates that he can maintain his fasting, alongside his football. But there was a noticeable drop in his performance during the games he fasted last year...

I understand him holding his religion above his performance. However, if his religious needs and requirements can be fulfilled, whilst still allowing him to drink water during a 3 hour endurance event, then I think he's obligated from a professional and team perspective to facilitate it. Either that or list himself as injured for the games where he can't drink.

This will be drawing a very long bow, but imagine how little the difference is that would have to have been overcome to win the three games we lost during Houli's fasting period. Less than a kick each time. I'm not suggesting that Houli's performance was the difference between winning and losing... but the difference between them was very small. It's interesting to think about whether he would have been any more capable in the dying moments of those games had his tongue not been swollen, dry, and stuck to the roof of his mouth. Whether we would have made finals....
Obviously, that's just theoretical, and it probably has no relevance.
BUT, each player on the field, nowadays, is require to be giving their absolute best, and all the sports science, recovery, everything that footy departments put so much money into is designed to bring this about.

If Houli has any flexibility at all within his religious duties, I would consider whether he should feel obliged to consider it.
 
There is no doubt that Houli's performance is affected by Ramadan. When competing at the very top level, 5% makes all the difference. Whilst you can try and minimise the impact, there's no way you can account for it. However no human being can be in peak form and fitness for the whole season. Your body's peak rises and falls throughout the year so I guess if you trained for peak fitness around this, it would minimise the impact. The only issue I see (and I'm not sure when Ramadan falls over the next few years) is if Ramadan falls into the finals period. I teckon Houli's been unfairly maligned by a few. In my eyes he's a critical player for the Tigers.
 
GoodOne said:
There is no doubt that Houli's performance is affected by Ramadan. When competing at the very top level, 5% makes all the difference.
No doubt? Plenty of doubt IMO.

I fast for 24 hours once a week and lift fasted. I write down every gym session I have and have found fasting doesn't affect my lifts one iota. In fact lifting on fasted days I often outperform. (fasting causes an increase in HGH among other things)

My results may not be transferable to aerobic/ cardio type performances, but thaen again he only fasts for 12 hours a day.

The body gets used to what it is subjected to. Man wasn't designed to eat every 3 hours anyway. Do you think cavemen had 3 -5 meals per day? I would be surprised if his performance is compromised at all, let alone 5%.

Just looking at him, he is one of the fittest aethetically speaking, wouldn't you say?
 
evo said:
I fast for 24 hours once a week and lift fasted. I write down every gym session I have and have found fasting doesn't affect my lifts one iota. In fact lifting on fasted days I often outperform. (fasting causes an increase in HGH among other things)
My results may not be transferable to aerobic/ cardio type performances, but thaen again he only fasts for 12 hours a day.

It's the liquid aspect of fasting that I believe is the biggest issue. I just can't see how any player could train and play at their absolute best without liquids at the elite level in a high cardio performance mode. I would have thought it humanly impossible. Again, to me it's a matter of whether this performance decrease at certain times of the year outweighs his total benefit to the club, and I think his abilities far outweigh the 4 or so potential games a year that he may not be at his peak ability.
 
GoodOne said:
It's the liquid aspect of fasting that I believe is the biggest issue. I just can't see how any player could train and play at their absolute best without liquids at the elite level in a high cardio performance mode. I would have thought it humanly impossible. Again, to me it's a matter of whether this performance decrease at certain times of the year outweighs his total benefit to the club, and I think his abilities far outweigh the 4 or so potential games a year that he may not be at his peak ability.
fair enough on the point about water. That's very important when you fast - body needs lots of hydration when breaking down fat for energy.

Surely his Imam would be flexible in regard to drinking water during daylight hours one would think?
 
Hmmmm...

It's funny, eh? The way the skippies negotiate. (I hate Vlad.)

I'm grateful that Bachar and various institutions don't.

Other people are so narrow minded. ('Cept me. I'm bigoted.)

My guess? Negotiation. Negotiation.
 
I love Bachar's form. He keeps improving. His failures are replaced by success. His feet are cleaner.

At worst top seven at Richmond right now. He fixes his *smile* ups with aplomb.

Physically Houli has no hurt. And will turn it up through a lack of skippie football education. But he goes again. It's kinda poetic.

He makes the odd blunder going back. But rarely two in a game. And his forward game improves every season, long and fat side.

The coach has said that the minute the playing group stops improving he will pull the pin. *smile* the numbers, let Bachar dominate a final. A tribute to player and coach in 2012.

Is it 2013 now?
 
Two afternoon games and two twilight games (one in Cairns) during Ramadan for the Tiges.

For the twilight games he'll be drinking by half time in any case.
 
evo said:
fair enough on the point about water. That's very important when you fast - body needs lots of hydration when breaking down fat for energy.

Surely his Imam would be flexible in regard to drinking water during daylight hours one would think?

It's not, apparently. Last year he skulled powerade and water before sunrise, and didn't drink anything during the day.

I agree with others though, Houli's value to the team outweighs any decrease in performance over ramadan. In my opinion, he's probably the best performed player through the preseason, and at 24, with a couple of solid years under his belt, this year could see him step up yet another level.
 
Pretty quiet last night after starting well. I wonder if the knock he took off Hampson slowed him down a bit as he had very few touches after that.
 
shad said:
Pretty quiet last night after starting well. I wonder if the knock he took off Hampson slowed him down a bit as he had very few touches after that.
I noticed the Carlton players tried to hurt Houli physically at every opportunity. He was a battered and bruised by half time. A clear instruction by Malthouse which shows me the opposition see him as a very real threat to them and a massive weapon for us with his run off half back.
 
Smoking Aces said:
I noticed the Carlton players tried to hurt Houli physically at every opportunity. He was a battered and bruised by half time. A clear instruction by Malthouse which shows me the opposition see him as a very real threat to them and a massive weapon for us with his run off half back.

Very good, didn't notice. Then he needs to prepared for more hits. I still reckon he did well.
He is one of the most improved. He isn't a cat any more, he goes in when its his turn.
 
shad said:
Pretty quiet last night after starting well. I wonder if the knock he took off Hampson slowed him down a bit as he had very few touches after that.

Smoking Aces said:
I noticed the Carlton players tried to hurt Houli physically at every opportunity. He was a battered and bruised by half time. A clear instruction by Malthouse which shows me the opposition see him as a very real threat to them and a massive weapon for us with his run off half back.

I think Smoking is probably right, but I also thought that Bachar was playing a very defensively orientated game. He was putting the team first. No doubt the pregane polanning would have been focussed on stopping the Carlton small forwards, and I thought the way Bach played reflected that playing a role was first and foremost.

Regardless, it is great to see him really coming along.
 
Played mostly on Yarran and for all but the last 10 minutes towel led him. If you look at the stats they both had similar possessions same number of goals but Yarran kicked three behinds. Obviously did his defensive job to coaches instructions very well. :clap
 
Is improving with every full pre-season

Professional footballer, Leon Cameron esk at the moment

Good enough to play in a premiership
 
He was very poor defensively when Garlett kicked the second-last goal of the game. Houli stood goalside of Garlett before the throw-in but let him jog past him to the contest, where Garlett simply picked up the ball and snapped the goal. Houli has to be better than that.
 
CC TIGER said:
Just watched replay again played a much better game then I first noticed, bloody good footballer, underrated footy nous

Enjoyed the message on his wrists Thursday night. "Intensity" on one and "Life & Death" on the other. No doubt he can play. But if he ups his intensity he becomes a even better footballer. One of my favs.
 
I was really, really disappointed with Bach's game tonight. He lost his feet in the majority of his contests which provided opp's for the Aints to exit us. He gets beaten most times in one on ones, just looks weak in contests.