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Bachar Houli - بشار حولي,

jackfrost said:
So you see soft types as the players to lead us forward Streak !

No one's about "finding something else wrong" mate, its there for all to see, hasn't just developed because he has done OK in other area's, lets get serious.

The guy was let go because of this mark against him so its nothing new and by just bringing up that he ticks other boxes doesn't lesson the fact he's soft.

22 AA ?...........I think your stretching it now mate, anyone of us would be absolutely ecstatic if we could find 22 g's who left it all on the field each week, that we could ive with.
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Gotta love people stretching the truth, while accusing others of doing it.
Bash was not let go, he walked out on the bombers. Hirdy tried to convince im to stay.

As for hard nuts and *smile*. There's always been different kinds of hard in footy.
Johnno Browns a hard nut but he keeps getting his head caved in, he's also had some serious body injuries because of the way he crashes into packs.
Bash is a gut running hard nut, it takes a different kind of mindset to constantly run the lines and try to break games open but it is just as tough as crashing into packs.
There's also plenty of times when just crashing into contests is not only a waste of time but detrimental to the team. Sometimes if you can't legally influence a contest you're better off standing off and forcing a stoppage or blocking the flow on effect of the play rather than blindly crashing in and giving away frees or taking yourself or teammates out of the next passage of play.
 
gustiger12 said:
Funny that Bowden used to get howled down for these same traits yet praise Houli. Bowden was a far superior football
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Joel didnt pull out on contests like Bacher does to be fair Gus. Bowden backed into more packs to take marks than Bacher ever will.

A couple of his 'efforts' were embarassing yesterday. Certainly to leysy & the crowd around us.
 
Brodders17 said:
he was not 'let go'. he walked out on the dons. Hird was definitely on record as trying to keep him.
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Easy enough for Hirdy to say that now though Brodders, anyone can play the "mr Nice guy" after the fact.

Think they'd take him back now ?....who would he replace in their backline at the moment.
 
TigerMasochist said:
Gotta love people stretching the truth, while accusing others of doing it.
Bash was not let go, he walked out on the bombers. Hirdy tried to convince im to stay.

As for hard nuts and softies. There's always been different kinds of hard in footy.
Johnno Browns a hard nut but he keeps getting his head caved in, he's also had some serious body injuries because of the way he crashes into packs.
Bash is a gut running hard nut, it takes a different kind of mindset to constantly run the lines and try to break games open but it is just as tough as crashing into packs.
There's also plenty of times when just crashing into contests is not only a waste of time but detrimental to the team. Sometimes if you can't legally influence a contest you're better off standing off and forcing a stoppage or blocking the flow on effect of the play rather than blindly crashing in and giving away frees or taking yourself or teammates out of the next passage of play.
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I don't think Im stretching the truth about Houli's football-hardness at all TM and your more than welcome to your own opinion of the bloke.

Gut-running hardnut ? Please !

No one's asking him to play like Jonathon Brown so that example is a complete and utter waste of time, I'd be more than happy if he showed half back toughness similar to a Corey Enright or Heath Shaw and still do the gut running stuff that seems to be his forte.

Would be shocked if he is around if this club when and if ever this club starts showing life again.

Accusing others ?....all I was saying to Streak was no one is expecting 22 AA at Richmond, whats stretching about that ?
 
It was your comment about Bash being let go Frosty one. Bash told esserdum where to bash their club and jimbob made the effort to change his mind, asking him to stay.

Far as I'm concerned young Houli is playing his HBF role pretty well at the moment, if a few more of our players were doing their job half as well we'd be fringing around the edge of the eight instead of having our pants pulled down most weeks.
 
TigerMasochist said:
It was your comment about Bash being let go Frosty one. Bash told esserdum where to bash their club and jimbob made the effort to change his mind, asking him to stay.

Far as I'm concerned young Houli is playing his HBF role pretty well at the moment, if a few more of our players were doing their job half as well we'd be fringing around the edge of the eight instead of having our pants pulled down most weeks.
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No problems whatsoever Maso, let go is a relative term I guess depending upon how one reads it, seeing as Hirdy apparently asked him to stick around and he chose not too makes me seem it was an amicable parting and as I mentined previously, I certainly doubt they would have had a spot for him as Richmond has.

And NO, I agree, he has played quite well overall in as far as consistency goes, though I still doubt he is the type that will be the catalyst for our resurgence as a powerhouse anywhere in the near future is what Im saying. Has been worth the pickup at this stage, moreso than Grigg who has really tailed off of late.

Would easily be in our top 6 this season, but in saying that, doesn't mean I think he'll be in contention for Team of the Century honours in 90 years either though, just looking at the big picture, thats all, the immediate future pic is just too damn bleak and makes me cringe far to often.
 
Leysy Days said:
Joel didnt pull out on contests like Bacher does to be fair Gus. Bowden backed into more packs to take marks than Bacher ever will.

A couple of his 'efforts' were embarassing yesterday. Certainly to leysy & the crowd around us.
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Leysy my good man I would never suggest that bowdo was ever that soft or even soft at all. But it seems some here refuse to accept Houli is soft. I can accept not everyone can be a hard nut, my issue is Houli loses one on one contest continually which kills us in the back half. He just doesn't make good decisions under pressure and gets pinged far to often. His effort against Crameri was as bad as I've seen. That stuff kills u a completely changes the momentum of games. (hope I slept his name right this time)

And people wonder why our contested ball rate has dropped off.
 
Streak said:
The way I see it with Houli

1. He has been one of our most consistent players this year.
2. He was recruited for stuff in the PSD all and well worth it.
3. He was recruited because he can kick.

I find it interesting that because he ticks all those boxes, we now have to find something else wrong with him. He is soft, he takes short steps, he can't win the footy etc. etc.

Some of you need to get a life. Seems we will not be satisifed until we have 22 All-Australians running round out there for us. Which would be nice, but it ain't going to happen.
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Great post. Houli does his job and does it well. When the midfield and ruck start to work the defensive 50's will be less and more pressured. Houli will shine even more then.
 
IMO Houli will end up a winger/half forward. He is playing down back either to improve his defensive skills/one-on-one work and/or because we dont have other options for good ball users down there.
 
Brodders17 said:
IMO Houli will end up a winger/half forward. He is playing down back either to improve his defensive skills/one-on-one work and/or because we dont have other options for good ball users down there.
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I would say its mostly to do with the focus on having good ball users coming out of the back half.

But our good users aren't currently the one's bringing it out enough. McGuane, Thursfield and Rance are the kicks out of the back half too often. Houli, Lids, Newman and Batchelor need to get it in the back 50 more often. Not sure why it isn't happening as well as it did earlier in the year.
 
his ball use, and decision making has been questionable lately. that kick in straight to the opposition against the bombers, being caught holding the ball in the pocket when he tried to jog around an opponent just to name a fwe off top of my head. his so called strengths have let him down lately, and thats not a good sign from a soft type player who really relies on his skills and decisions...
 
BrisTiger24 said:
But our good users aren't currently the one's bringing it out enough. McGuane, Thursfield and Rance are the kicks out of the back half too often. Houli, Lids, Newman and Batchelor need to get it in the back 50 more often. Not sure why it isn't happening as well as it did earlier in the year.
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Because other clubs have figured us out. Much the same as they used to do with Gaspar and Kellaway, they leave our poorer kicks such as McGuane and Rance free when we're trying to bring the ball out. They cover Newman and Deledio and force the ball into the hands of the likes of McGuane and Rance in the knowledge that there is a high probability that they will turn it over. We are very predictable and will attempt to get the ball to our better kicks even when it's obvious that they're under the pump.

With modern footy, you cannot hide players who kick the ball poorly in the back line. Similarly you can't hide players who can't win a one on one contest as they become the weak link, which brings us back to Bachar Houli......

IMO, Houli wouldn't get a game at any of the better clubs because he CAN'T DEFEND. I used to think that McGuane and Thursfield were worth keeping because they could defend but unfortunately they can't rebound and use the ball. As such, four of our back six (Houli, McGuane, Thursfield and to a lesser extent, Rance) are a liability at the moment.

Houli and Rance are worth persisting with but their faults have to be addressed.

Good teams are built around their back six and our defense (along with Ruck) is one of the main reasons we've fallen away. Dimma has said a few times now that we can't take a trick with our back six. If it hasn't been suspensions to McGuane and Rance at the beginning of the year, it's been injuries to Grimes, Moore and Astbury throughout the year. O'Reilly showed a bit last year and I was looking forward to him and Connors and Dea developing this year but all have been injured.

Houli was a good PSD pick but he's not up to standard yet. Others will put pressure on his place when they return from injury. I'm more worried about Grigg at the moment. At least Houli can kick.........
 
keepa lids onit said:
his ball use, and decision making has been questionable lately. that kick in straight to the opposition against the bombers, being caught holding the ball in the pocket when he tried to jog around an opponent just to name a fwe off top of my head. his so called strengths have let him down lately, and thats not a good sign from a soft type player who really relies on his skills and decisions...
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What about Deledio's kick that went straight to the opposition on the weekend? Or when he kicked into the man on the mark against Carlton that basically handed them the game?

Or how about how Martin continues to turn the ball over in the backhalf that almost always results in a goal?

It's always easy to point out ones mistake, Houli has kept trying right to the very end in games where others have dropped there heads and stopped trying, in my books Houli is doing damn well fine for a player who has played less games then Cotchin and only a few more then Martin.
 
TheCan said:
You can write off the next month for bachar Ramadan begins!
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I'm sure he will play some good games in this time. He would not be playing unless he is 100% prepared.
 
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