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Bachar Houli - بشار حولي,

Chimp for Cotchin sounds stupid to me. Has absolutely no basis imo.

At Least "Bruce" Houli has a tenuous link.
 
Thought "Basher" was Jack "Basher" Williams, of the 45 bloodbath GF

I definitely won't be thinking of Tempany and calling him Bruce, nor Dooley ... am more interested in the evolution and continuing improvement of his personal and team performances
 
lamb22 said:
BCL is 100% correct. Houli basically gives up on a number of contests and many times goes to ground to basically feign effort. I count about half a dozen weak efforts a game. On Saturday he (i) fell over in a marking contest with Ballantyne - Ballantyne mark: (2) soft in a 50/50 chase with Ballantyne - Ballantyne (good play mind you) goal (3) fell over chasing on the half forward line when Richmond had a 2 on 1 on a loose ball - Freo clearance (4) very poor chase on Fyfe to boundary lne - gave away goal side very easily when Fyfe just collected and turned and went past him; (5) slid into a contest which might show effort but basically just went past the ball and Freo cleared (6) Freo got an easy goal at the City end. On replay Houli who was previously in a defensive position outside the pack was just basically invisible when the ball came out to where he was previously covering.

I am sure the coaching staff is aware of it and working on it with Houli. With Bashar it is the type of player he will become. At present he is not good enough to be in a grand final 22. But players develop with experience and success. It must be remembered he's only played just over 30 games. Montagna was pretty ordinary early doors and become a very important contributor for Saints (ordinary bump on Curnow notwthstanding).

Now Bashar's problem could just be a confidence or belief thing. Our own Kel Moore kept falling over early days when his first and second efforts didn't do the job. Sometime he reverts back. I think the player thinks he is trying but he is actually just giving up. I am hopeful that Bashar will develop so as to improve these areas and maximise his offensive running and (sometimes) good kicking - missing easy targets are also a symptom of poor belief or choking.

BTW I thought hs second goal was actually poor play. The play was clearly just the kick to King running into goal. The long shot was a bit selfish and luckily he got the bounce he needed.

Gee you're a hard man Lamb. I think Bashar is going well and cannot understand why, at this time, your energies would be devoted to analysing his deficiencies to this degree. The positives far outweigh the negatives. Yes, he is not perfection, but there are not many who are. He creates play and opens up opposition teams off half back, this is absolutely vital the way the game is played thses days.
He came from behind Luke Power in an important one on one and out-strengthed him to win an important contest a few weeks back. He won a push and shove marking contest on the weekend then set up Angus Graham with a precision pass. HE kicked that first goal which lifted everyone I believe. You have a crack at him for having a shot with his second goal - I would bet my house he has been coached to shoot from 50 if he feels he can kick it - it's called giving a bloke confidence. I also reckon there was a chance he was trying to ste King up to run onto it.

Regarding your (1) to (6) - what, do you take notes of negatives? Why bother to this degree? I think his kicking has been a highlight the last month, yet you focus on him missing easy targets? Well so does Cotchin occasionally, so does Judd

Number (4) - FYFE is a gun and was simply too slippery. HE is real quick and a great athlete. No problem with Houli's effort for mine
Number (2) - Took an exceptional bit of play by Ballantyne to steal it, and it was obvious what Houli was trying to do. It was not soft as you say, just a poor decision. He will learn from that but going to ground in that instance as he treid to scoop the ball back was understandable - as i say, he will learn from that.

The others I didn't notice but i can only assume it is because I am not looking to focus on his mistakes like some others. I think he has been a great pick up, and yes the real tests are still to come, but his rate of improvement and output thus far has been most acceptable, and not warranting a 1-6 list of errors for analysis.

By the way, what does this list of names have in common? And there are many, many more of these types.....

James Thiessen, Matthew Connell, Andrew Eccles, Sean Dempster, Adam Selwood (now there is a battler), Sam Butler, Nathan Ablett, Nick Fosdike, Steven Armstrong

All Premiership players that Houli is the equal of, or already superior to.
 
Merveille said:
Gee you're a hard man Lamb. I think Bashar is going well and cannot understand why, at this time, your energies would be devoted to analysing his deficiencies to this degree. The positives far outweigh the negatives. Yes, he is not perfection, but there are not many who are. He creates play and opens up opposition teams off half back, this is absolutely vital the way the game is played thses days.
He came from behind Luke Power in an important one on one and out-strengthed him to win an important contest a few weeks back. He won a push and shove marking contest on the weekend then set up Angus Graham with a precision pass. HE kicked that first goal which lifted everyone I believe. You have a crack at him for having a shot with his second goal - I would bet my house he has been coached to shoot from 50 if he feels he can kick it - it's called giving a bloke confidence. I also reckon there was a chance he was trying to ste King up to run onto it.

Regarding your (1) to (6) - what, do you take notes of negatives? Why bother to this degree? I think his kicking has been a highlight the last month, yet you focus on him missing easy targets? Well so does Cotchin occasionally, so does Judd

Number (4) - FYFE is a gun and was simply too slippery. HE is real quick and a great athlete. No problem with Houli's effort for mine
Number (2) - Took an exceptional bit of play by Ballantyne to steal it, and it was obvious what Houli was trying to do. It was not soft as you say, just a poor decision. He will learn from that but going to ground in that instance as he treid to scoop the ball back was understandable - as i say, he will learn from that.

The others I didn't notice but i can only assume it is because I am not looking to focus on his mistakes like some others. I think he has been a great pick up, and yes the real tests are still to come, but his rate of improvement and output thus far has been most acceptable, and not warranting a 1-6 list of errors for analysis.

By the way, what does this list of names have in common? And there are many, many more of these types.....

James Thiessen, Matthew Connell, Andrew Eccles, Sean Dempster, Adam Selwood (now there is a battler), Sam Butler, Nathan Ablett, Nick Fosdike, Steven Armstrong

All Premiership players that Houli is the equal of, or already superior to.

Funny that you concentrate on my paragraphs 1 & 4 and ignore paragraphs 2 & 3 and then 'offer' the balance which already was canvassed in my post.

Runs hard forward, can make space and find uncontested ball, kicks well although less well at times. However I am sure that the coaching panel are aware of his deficiencies and are confident they can be improved over time.

The examples are just from memory but they stood out like the proverbial . Bar Morton in the twos I cant think of another player on our list who is so uncompetitive one on one so he does stand out when we play.
 
lamb22 said:
Funny that you concentrate on my paragraphs 1 & 4 and ignore paragraphs 2 & 3 and then 'offer' the balance which already was canvassed in my post.
Runs hard forward, can make space and find uncontested ball, kicks well although less well at times. However I am sure that the coaching panel are aware of his deficiencies and are confident they can be improved over time.
The examples are just from memory but they stood out like the proverbial . Bar Morton in the twos I cant think of another player on our list who is so uncompetitive one on one so he does stand out when we play.

Agree Lamb, thought you provided a good critical, balanced summation. There are plenty of positives so far and plenty for him to work on. Just as all our players have weaknesses to work on. (except Jake)
 
Big Cat Lover said:
Agree Lamb, thought you provided a good critical, balanced summation. There are plenty of positives so far and plenty for him to work on. Just as all our players have weaknesses to work on. (except Jake)

Thanks BCL. I am often amazed at the indignation of some when weaknesses of our players are mentioned. Like you said all players have weaknesses. Even Jake would be better if he was 179cm tall instead of 178cm ;D

Even Dusty has lots of work to do on his defensive game.

I beleive Hardwick & co looked at Houli and thought his outlet work is what we need. Hardwick in particular would have noted his one on one work and backed himself in to make it better.

Like I said eralier we dont need him to be Jake King in this regard but he needs to start halving contests he is now losing or at the very least keep his feet and apply some implied pressure. At the moment his direct opponent feels little actual or implied pressure.
 
If Bachar can keep kicking 2 goals, having 20+ touches mostly to advantage with scoring assists, his opponent may not feel any direct pressure from Bachar but he is certainly hurting his opponent
 
his tackling and lack of effort at times today was the worst iv seen by a richmond player....and thats sayin somethn! If he doesnt improve that, and put his body on the line he will be known to me as "pea heart"
 
Bruce was very ordinary today. Panicked a lot and we were punished for it as a team. Isn't a backman. Nor is Grigg for that matter.
Will only shine when we are winning I think.
 
Great when we're up and running, (though not as "awesome" has some have been saying, certainly hasn't deserved all the votes he's been picking up) but like all soft, downhill skiiers, exposed against quality. Several factors better then Jordy, but the comparisons are not as ridiculous as some would have us believe. Can still be turned into a consistently good player if the staff work on his mental strength and defensive side.
 
Houli is a squib, doesn't put his body on the line, I've seen it 5 times now, I turned a blind eye to his lack of courage over the last few weeks due to us winning....the epitome of a downhill skier. Should be dropped straight away and made to earn his spot back.
 
jb03 said:
Just terrible today. Can see why Knights had him yo-yoing in and out of the firsts.

Yep. I would call that his worst game by far. Got enough in the bank to play next week but needs to lift on todays effort.

The entire backline got destroyed.
 
Basher was poor today. I think hes being played out of position at half back as hes not capable of stopping a forward.
 
SCOOP said:
Yep. I would call that his worst game by far. Got enough in the bank to play next week but needs to lift on todays effort.

The entire backline got destroyed.
Agreed. Once of the biggest disappointments from today was how badly the defenders worked together. There was no defending plan at all.