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Re: Bachar "Back in Black & Yellow" Houli
Goldstein 15
Westhoff 36
Priddis 37
Hall 40
are a few that jump out of that ratings system. Even Hannebery (35) has struggled in most Sydney games I've seen. You can get 500/1 about #2 Scott Pendlebury for the Brownlow. And that's just the first page.
Second page has
Mitchell 49
Ablett 57
Wingard 61
Duncan 64
Walters 80
all of whom have been comfortably better than the above-listed on page 1.
Hurley will be AA CHB and is rated #326.
No sale.
Goldstein 15
Westhoff 36
Priddis 37
Hall 40
are a few that jump out of that ratings system. Even Hannebery (35) has struggled in most Sydney games I've seen. You can get 500/1 about #2 Scott Pendlebury for the Brownlow. And that's just the first page.
Second page has
Mitchell 49
Ablett 57
Wingard 61
Duncan 64
Walters 80
all of whom have been comfortably better than the above-listed on page 1.
Hurley will be AA CHB and is rated #326.
No sale.
Re: Bachar "Back in Black & Yellow" Houli
The AFL ranking are biased towards half forward creators and don't like back line players. They are interesting, but alone they are not sufficient to pass judgement on a player.
The highest compliment that is paid to Houli is that other teams regularly tag him (indeed he got suspended trying to break free from a hanger on).
My eyes and the basic stats told me that he was in superb form before his suspension. With Short struggling badly ATM and our team lacking hard re-bounders I think there is a hands down case for immediate inclusion.
He will also bring fresh legs to a team that looked exhausted at the end of the GWS game.
The AFL ranking are biased towards half forward creators and don't like back line players. They are interesting, but alone they are not sufficient to pass judgement on a player.
The highest compliment that is paid to Houli is that other teams regularly tag him (indeed he got suspended trying to break free from a hanger on).
My eyes and the basic stats told me that he was in superb form before his suspension. With Short struggling badly ATM and our team lacking hard re-bounders I think there is a hands down case for immediate inclusion.
He will also bring fresh legs to a team that looked exhausted at the end of the GWS game.
Re: Bachar "Back in Black & Yellow" Houli
The ratings run over two seasons to get a better picture of a player's consistency. Otherwise flash in the pans who start a season with a bang would be considered the AFL's best players.
Our Toby started in the 500s and has pushed to just around where Houli sits.
They also have a season rating and in that Toby probably comfortably inside 100.
Rating for Mitchell also will be higher on a season rating.
BTW Ablett used to own these ratings a few seasons back.
They have correctly pushed Martin and Cotchin into 3 and 12 respectively after their seasons this year.
They are not perfect. Rancey at around 20ish and most would have him top 10 or 5, but they are the best 'qualitative' system you could have. They will always favour mids and creative players over defenders but then again your mids are mostly your best players.
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
The ratings run over two seasons to get a better picture of a player's consistency. Otherwise flash in the pans who start a season with a bang would be considered the AFL's best players.
Our Toby started in the 500s and has pushed to just around where Houli sits.
They also have a season rating and in that Toby probably comfortably inside 100.
Rating for Mitchell also will be higher on a season rating.
BTW Ablett used to own these ratings a few seasons back.
They have correctly pushed Martin and Cotchin into 3 and 12 respectively after their seasons this year.
They are not perfect. Rancey at around 20ish and most would have him top 10 or 5, but they are the best 'qualitative' system you could have. They will always favour mids and creative players over defenders but then again your mids are mostly your best players.
Re: Bachar "Back in Black & Yellow" Houli
Agree, Supercoach is eerily accurate at judging true ability. None of Short, Menadue, Corey Ellis, Markov have thus far been able to provide what Houli gives us. Until someone can offer a better option for his role imo he's a guaranteed selection in our 22.
evo said:
Agree, Supercoach is eerily accurate at judging true ability. None of Short, Menadue, Corey Ellis, Markov have thus far been able to provide what Houli gives us. Until someone can offer a better option for his role imo he's a guaranteed selection in our 22.
Re: Bachar "Back in Black & Yellow" Houli
Yeah I get that, but maybe last year's form needs to be given less weight. Goldy at 15 is running around in the VFL. If it was a form guide it wouldn't help you to pick many winners today.
lamb22 said:
Yeah I get that, but maybe last year's form needs to be given less weight. Goldy at 15 is running around in the VFL. If it was a form guide it wouldn't help you to pick many winners today.
Re: Bachar "Back in Black & Yellow" Houli
All those players are young and have covered Houli's absence more than admirably in fact the back line looks to be functioning just fine without Houli.
If for some reason we were all of a sudden without Houli for the rest of the season, the past 4 weeks have shown that we won't miss him one bit.
The BIG BONUS is our talented cubs get valuable games into them.
I'm not in any way hoping or wishing, I'm just painting a bigger picture scenario for the club going forward.
The continuous cycle of hurt this club has put us through can't be pinned down to one particular thing but IMO there are so many periods where it cant see the wood for the trees instead we always go for what appears to be the quick fix.
Houli is a quick fix.
We aren't missing him when he isn't there so why not blood these talented cubs NOW not tomorrow or next year!
tigerlove said:
All those players are young and have covered Houli's absence more than admirably in fact the back line looks to be functioning just fine without Houli.
If for some reason we were all of a sudden without Houli for the rest of the season, the past 4 weeks have shown that we won't miss him one bit.
The BIG BONUS is our talented cubs get valuable games into them.
I'm not in any way hoping or wishing, I'm just painting a bigger picture scenario for the club going forward.
The continuous cycle of hurt this club has put us through can't be pinned down to one particular thing but IMO there are so many periods where it cant see the wood for the trees instead we always go for what appears to be the quick fix.
Houli is a quick fix.
We aren't missing him when he isn't there so why not blood these talented cubs NOW not tomorrow or next year!
Re: Bachar "Back in Black & Yellow" Houli
Simple question in my mind. We are shooting for the double chance which would be our first since 2001 IIRC.
Therefore we play our best side possible. Would the inclusion of Houli over Broad or CEllis make us better?
The answer to that is very clear IMO.
Simple question in my mind. We are shooting for the double chance which would be our first since 2001 IIRC.
Therefore we play our best side possible. Would the inclusion of Houli over Broad or CEllis make us better?
The answer to that is very clear IMO.
Re: Bachar "Back in Black & Yellow" Houli
Unless im mistaken the ratings take into account a players last 40 games over a 2yr period. Houli has played 33 games in that time. Clearly that would negatively impact his rating.
lamb22 said:
Unless im mistaken the ratings take into account a players last 40 games over a 2yr period. Houli has played 33 games in that time. Clearly that would negatively impact his rating.
Re: Bachar "Back in Black & Yellow" Houli
No disrespect to Cellis or Broad, but if you are seriously suggesting either are better players than Houli at the present time then it will be interesting comparing Houli's SupaCoach points tally from this Saturday to the guy he replaced from this week. Or even compared to whoever stays in. Or even Broad and Ellis combined.
And no weaseling out for time on ground and the like Lamby. That's also a measure of absolute value to a side.
lamb22 said:
No disrespect to Cellis or Broad, but if you are seriously suggesting either are better players than Houli at the present time then it will be interesting comparing Houli's SupaCoach points tally from this Saturday to the guy he replaced from this week. Or even compared to whoever stays in. Or even Broad and Ellis combined.
And no weaseling out for time on ground and the like Lamby. That's also a measure of absolute value to a side.
Re: Bachar "Back in Black & Yellow" Houli
It does but it starts tapering off after 30 games, so the effect wont be as large as you might think.
Even at peak Houli he was still around 140, 10th at Richmond and in the 20s for his position
Brodders17 said:
It does but it starts tapering off after 30 games, so the effect wont be as large as you might think.
Even at peak Houli he was still around 140, 10th at Richmond and in the 20s for his position
Re: Bachar "Back in Black & Yellow" Houli
They don't have to be better players Just provide us with more benefit game day.
I keep being reminded about this on Miles. Better than half the game day team, but structurally redundant or suspect, I'm told.
My response on Houli was quite simple. You and your cohorts are quite free to engage in a mutual massage session over Houli. But it's a subjective opinion. There is no evidence to suggest we are worse with Houli out. In fact the evidence over the last two years suggest we are better. 40% win ratio when he plays. Over 60% when he doesn't.
Coming off a win over our highest rated victim all year and keeping them to 6 goals, I see no reason to change the defence.
On Broad I am not a fan and he started poorly last week BUT he worked his way into the game nicely and was very strong defensively second half. I'd keep for this week and make Hitman Houli wait.
antman said:
They don't have to be better players Just provide us with more benefit game day.
I keep being reminded about this on Miles. Better than half the game day team, but structurally redundant or suspect, I'm told.
My response on Houli was quite simple. You and your cohorts are quite free to engage in a mutual massage session over Houli. But it's a subjective opinion. There is no evidence to suggest we are worse with Houli out. In fact the evidence over the last two years suggest we are better. 40% win ratio when he plays. Over 60% when he doesn't.
Coming off a win over our highest rated victim all year and keeping them to 6 goals, I see no reason to change the defence.
On Broad I am not a fan and he started poorly last week BUT he worked his way into the game nicely and was very strong defensively second half. I'd keep for this week and make Hitman Houli wait.
Re: Bachar "Back in Black & Yellow" Houli
a cohort is the collective. You could say a cohort of Bachar barrackers. Or maybe you and your Bachar barracking minions? 8-
I've been critical of Bachar at times, but this season, forget it. He's in.
lamb22 said:
a cohort is the collective. You could say a cohort of Bachar barrackers. Or maybe you and your Bachar barracking minions? 8-
I've been critical of Bachar at times, but this season, forget it. He's in.
