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Bachar Houli - بشار حولي,
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Let's face it he has been less than stellar in his games to to date, but has been serviceable at times while learning a new game plan and playing with new teammates.
To put it into perspective though, he came to us as a 22 year old in the PSD. We payed draft pick 19 for the silky Jordon McMuffin. Which looks like better value ATM?
To put it into perspective though, he came to us as a 22 year old in the PSD. We payed draft pick 19 for the silky Jordon McMuffin. Which looks like better value ATM?
Thought he was one of our better players Saturday night. Wasn't a great game, but wasn't terrible either. Hit some nice targets along the way.
Those calling for him to be dropped are *smile*. Would rather have him in the side over Edwards (just a nothing player) every day of the week.
Those calling for him to be dropped are *smile*. Would rather have him in the side over Edwards (just a nothing player) every day of the week.
casper68 said:
He is what he is. The problem with Houli is that he is a known commodity. I'm not just talking about the three matches of course, but also his four seasons at Essendon (which his form at Richmond seems to be a continuation of). For those looking for instant improved competitivenes and a minor upgrade on what we had previously, all at a bargin basement price, he is a steal. For those more concerned about an eventual tilt at the premiership, and who aren't as worried about our competitiveness in the here and now, he represents a diversion and a wasted opportunity. He is the whipping boy because along with Miller he seems to represent to his detractors the old Richmond of Mark Graham, Kent Kingsley, Jordan McHahon and Adam Thomson. The old Richmond that we thought had gone.
Bottomline is for him to stop being the whipping boy he has to improve markedly on what he was at Essendon (which personally I don't think he is capable of doing). If he continues being the same old Houli that rightly or wrongly couldn't get a game at the bombers in 2010, even if he cost almost nothing, he'll continue to polarise the supporter base. It's the Tambling and McHahon thread all over again I'm afraid...
TASSIETIGER2 said:
For us - he played enough previously to know what you will get.
Tygrys sums it up well.
by all reports has a three year deal
has performed below expectations to be honest. Does kick the ball well though, hope he improves
has performed below expectations to be honest. Does kick the ball well though, hope he improves
I think bachar has played his role fairly well so far. Glad to see him put his body on the line against D.Hale, forcing the big fella to don some bandages to stem the bleeding. Players in his position often look the worst when sides are on the wrong side of a flogging, but he was far from our worst.
Actually, I thought he was one of our better players on Saturday night, after indifferent performances in the first two weeks.
He seems classy enough with the ball in his hands and looks to be prepared to go for the hard ball, even if it is not instinctive for him, in the way that it is for someone like Jake King.
He needs to get more of the ball and he needs to push forward so he can use those kicking skills to either deliver to a leading forward, or kick the goal himself. He just hasn't done enough of this yet.
He seems classy enough with the ball in his hands and looks to be prepared to go for the hard ball, even if it is not instinctive for him, in the way that it is for someone like Jake King.
He needs to get more of the ball and he needs to push forward so he can use those kicking skills to either deliver to a leading forward, or kick the goal himself. He just hasn't done enough of this yet.
TOT70 said:
At a different game. Saw many instances of his lack of physical committment. I reckon the clash with Hale came about because Houli didn't see him.
He did kick well, two passes in particular across the ground were very good. His lack of pace is a concern for his role - he needs to be able to break to space and get to contests.
Big Cat Lover said:
Pretty much what I saw too Cat.
Interesting to note no tackles again for Bachar on the weekend as well.
FWIW statistically his output is also down at this early stage on what he delivered at Essendon.
Houli is going alright and he is what I call a complimentary player and when the team goes bad he will always look bad but when running on top of the ground he will look good. Having said that he was decent in the wet on Saturday night which by all rights would be he least favourite conditions.
People stop looking for scapegoats look at systems and why we couldn't score when we clearly dominated play ie most of the third qtr for bugger all reward.
People stop looking for scapegoats look at systems and why we couldn't score when we clearly dominated play ie most of the third qtr for bugger all reward.
Big Cat Lover said:
This is the point...
Bacher has the physical attributes of an inside role i.e is solidly built & lacks pace. Unfortunately he can't win the ball nor deliver it in close - either by hand or foot.
So he plays outside, but that lack pf pace hurts him. He also does one thing leysy hates in a footballer - loses his feet in contests. Its a mighty hardc thing to shake from your game.
Leysy wasn't a fan so his output has been about what leysy expected. He is what he is.
The 3 year contract on very decent $$$ is what had/has leysy worried.
Has not been the worst & not the best so far.Some nice kicks on Sat night.I actually thought he was a bit quicker though.
TOT70 said:
I'm probably biased when I watch Houli but I reckon he has not been hard enough when he needs to be. It's a tough game and I wouldn't be putting my head and body where most of these guys do but to me the hawks were much more committed and desperate and guys like Houli & Connors (both go to ground too easy) did not match their opponents desperation and I reckon it's what we can expect to get from them time and again. If they were able to provide some hurt the other way it would be OK. Houli appears to be a very good kick so may provide some value the other way. Connors - meh.
If Jason Gram can have a good GF then I suppose soft outside players can provide value. Houli's other problem is his lack of pace, something Gram has.
