I agree, but he has also done some very courageous things aswell. I think both he and Houli are working on it. Its not natural, but they are improving on it......Grigg on the other hand....tigers80 said:
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GEDS1 said:
Had expected it to look a lot worse when Brereton was introducing it. The ball was running away from Houli and Cloke was always going to get there first. Houli could probably have slid in low and collected Cloke head-on and been reported, or more realistically could have tackled and maybe allowed Cloke to send his opponent running into an open goal with a handpass. That he elected to follow his opponent while Cloke turned onto the opposite leg was the softest option, but hardly damning IMO.
I don't mind Brereton as a critic, but I'm sure there were clearer illustrations of what Hardwick was angry about and suspect this one was chosen because Houli has a hard-to-shake reputation with many neutrals and some Tiger supporters. He could just as well have shown the hard contest Houli made in the third quarter in the same area of the ground which epitomised his improvement in this area.
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Have to agree. At the same time he chooses to zone off and hope for the outside ball rather than muck in and make sure of it too often IMO. Not really squibbing but letting others take the load especially the younger guys breaking into the side. Cost us 2 goals in the Dogs game.
KnightersRevenge said:
That's *smile*, the ball was there and he should've/had to go and get it. Opposition clubs feed off crap like that.
Houli *smile* himself and if that was a coaches order to follow your man and don't worry about the ball. No wonder we are 1-3.
God help us...
zippadeee said:
No that's *smile*. He can put his body on the line when he wants and has already this year. What I question is how and he when he decides.
KnightersRevenge said:
i agree knighters. Some don't seem to understand that there aee a number of variables that defines whether a play commits to a certain contest or not. 1 is you don't want every player competing for a ball, you do need players peeling off 2. instruction and talking from other players is very important - byt he mistakes we often make I don't think there is enough of it 3. as in the Houli case you need to make a split second decision in the scenario where there are two players to cover.
Houli goes in for the hard ball I've seen it many times, but as a designated receiver who has great disposal his mentality is an dhsould be different to the inside player like Thomas who's job it is always to get the hard ball. Sometimes Houli makes the wrongn decision, doesn't class him as a squib.
Houli goes in for the hard ball I've seen it many times, but as a designated receiver who has great disposal his mentality is an dhsould be different to the inside player like Thomas who's job it is always to get the hard ball. Sometimes Houli makes the wrongn decision, doesn't class him as a squib.
You got the words receiver wrong decision maker and squib right
Houli is another example of a good ordinary footballer who does everything brilliantly with no pressure applied but when the torch is on he is the stark opposite
Unfortunately too many players of this standard in the team
We could carry houli if we didn't have five or six others like him
Houli would make the hawthorn team only if Spangler was injured
He's a top up player for a very good team
You got the words receiver wrong decision maker and squib right
Houli is another example of a good ordinary footballer who does everything brilliantly with no pressure applied but when the torch is on he is the stark opposite
Unfortunately too many players of this standard in the team
We could carry houli if we didn't have five or six others like him
Houli would make the hawthorn team only if Spangler was injured
He's a top up player for a very good team
st.francis said:
Think that's almost a fair call. Several glaring examples come to mind of Houli making errors in decision/making execution under real heat over the last three years. He's got to get better, like Cotch's kicking has to get better. But they've got the desire to do it. Not everyone does.
When the ball is coming into the back line at a 100 km an hour it's houli fault? Houli is the least of our troubles.
Watch houli running out of the backline at 100kmh
Elimination Final last year
Butchered the ball and cost us three goals
I'm sorry it's still happening this year
Coach needs to be onto him it's just not good enough for us
Elimination Final last year
Butchered the ball and cost us three goals
I'm sorry it's still happening this year
Coach needs to be onto him it's just not good enough for us
Its easy to blame individuals when we dont play as a team. People need to watch whats happening around the ground inteaad of just looking at the contest. You need to blast those standing around not running to support instead of those making the mistake when they have 3 opponents on them. Or you need to blast the coach for not drilling teamwork into them. Had houli won that hard ball there would have been no support for him anyway and they would have got it back. Winning the hard ball is not the problem , we beat them in this area, its what we do with it after thats the issue.
Watch houli Griggs Newman and Edwards this week against the lions
They will look like superstars and people will all be singing their praises but along come Geelong and hawthorn and we will be put back into reality mode
Yes houli gets a game before a lot of players but will he take us into the promised land or just to the richmond station platform? I suspect not
We pay top money for good ordinary footballers and this is why we never land a prized recruit such as a Cloke
They will look like superstars and people will all be singing their praises but along come Geelong and hawthorn and we will be put back into reality mode
Yes houli gets a game before a lot of players but will he take us into the promised land or just to the richmond station platform? I suspect not
We pay top money for good ordinary footballers and this is why we never land a prized recruit such as a Cloke
Harry said:
Spot on. We don't run to support and we don't run to create. Is it fitness, laziness, smarts or coaching? Effort of this sort should be the least of our problems. Why is this happening?
You forgot terrible execution guys
Our skills are poor especially out of defence
The most important kick in football is the kick under pressure out of your defence
We're horrendous at this and Houli and Chaplin have been poor at it for a while
Our skills are poor especially out of defence
The most important kick in football is the kick under pressure out of your defence
We're horrendous at this and Houli and Chaplin have been poor at it for a while
I think Bachar has an important role to play for the club as a sweeper/link man/deliverer or whatever you want to call it, but the one indisputable, non-negotiable facet of crossing the white line as an AFL player is you go when it's your turn. Now these situations don't come up all that often, but when they do, you have to go.
Going when it's your turn means putting your team first, even though you risk getting hurt. It means setting a standard, showing the rest of the team that you went when it was your turn, setting the scene for your teammates to do the same when it's their turn. It's a selfless act, but one greeted by admiration and respect from teammates and fans alike.
When I saw Bachar peel away from Cloke on Fri night, I bowed my head in disappointment, as it becomes obvious that unless evey player goes when it's their turn, we will neither be feared, nor respected, let alone be able to mix it with the top sides who always go when it's their turn.
I'm not singling our Bachar, but that was a glaring example.
Going when it's your turn means putting your team first, even though you risk getting hurt. It means setting a standard, showing the rest of the team that you went when it was your turn, setting the scene for your teammates to do the same when it's their turn. It's a selfless act, but one greeted by admiration and respect from teammates and fans alike.
When I saw Bachar peel away from Cloke on Fri night, I bowed my head in disappointment, as it becomes obvious that unless evey player goes when it's their turn, we will neither be feared, nor respected, let alone be able to mix it with the top sides who always go when it's their turn.
I'm not singling our Bachar, but that was a glaring example.
