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Atheism
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evo said:
This just shows that you absolutely don't get it. Being "watched" or seeking only "reward" has little to nothing to do with being a Christian, and if you are living your life like that then God would be able to see through that facade. He knows our innermost thoughts and intentions and even if we can fool our families, friends and even ourselves, we cannot fool God.
evo said:
The meaning of life. Men search for it but it is really very simple. The meaning or purpose to live is to have a relationship with and glorify God. That is why the universe was created - to glorify Him. You should watch the DVD Indescribable by Louie Giglio. It is an astronomy based DVD about the amazing wonders of the universe. I reckon every person, particularly anyone with an interest in Science or Creation should watch it. It is fantastic.
Well then explain to me what the value of the God is in the christian construct.jayfox said:
If you're doing the right thing regardless of reward or fear then how are u different to the disbeliever?
To be a slave in other words.
A life can't have meaning unless one is a servant and pay homage on a daily basis appears to be the message.
That doesn't sound appealing at all.Personally I'd rather be free on this short time on earth.
Yes the universe is wonderous on that we agree.It's not an argument for God though.
jayfox said:
This is the bit I don't get.
God is perfect and good, yet Satan (who he created from my limited understanding) was one of his boys for a long time, and is pure evil.
Did God who knows all create him as evil? If so, why did he play mates with him for so long? And if Satan became evil, how? He was a creation of God living in the environment of God, so where did the initial evil influence come from? Was God's design flawed, if so does this mean God is not perfect?
jayfox said:
You would have to explain what the term Satan's evil means before I could answer that.
It seems to me not even Chrisitians believe good and evil are absolute.If a Chrisitian really believed it's an absolute then he would follow the Bible literally,and all times.
Slavery was once good,but now it's evil? Clearly it's either human intuition playing a hand--good and evil are relative terms--or most likely, both.
OK so good and evil are relative and human concepts. How would you define them? Is one always better than the other? If you are truly to experience life to the fullest would it be better to do both? Is there any reason for a non-believer to restrain him-herself from evil?
evo said:
Christians have their nature changed by the indwelling Holy Spirit and the renewing of their mind. I suspect this is what foxy loxy is referring to. But this is the Atheist thread.
Surely a brief treatment of my questions is possible?
evo said:
What I am trying to say is that if we allow everybody to define their own version of good and evil, the term becomes meaningless. I also percieve a problem with the fact that some people's version versions might not be acceptable to society as a whole - but since they are relative, we have no right to correct them.
We can still construct this concept of good and evil from within the communities, families and cultures we live in. My parents, for example may have inculcated me with a sort of Western Judeao Christian set of morals or ethics. I can accept some of the messages of christianity or Buddhism or whatever without embracing the whole thing.
But thats just a realization of what happens anyway.Everybody does decide what is good and evil to them.It's unavoidable.Djevv said:
That religion has anything to say on this is a smokescreen, only believed by the religious.
If you were to be honest with yourself you would recognise that YOU decide which parts of the Bible to follow,and which parts not.The only people who don't do that are fundamentalists,and even that is a choice itself.
Theists are the same as atheists on the subject of good and evil and morality.The only difference is they just haven't realised it yet.(IMHO)
If they are not acceptable to society as whole then society as a democracy decides.
Would you prefer a theocracy?
