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Atheism
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jayfox said:
Well if you ever happen to be a god, here's a free tip. Make your existence a little more obvious to your creations and you might not be quite so disappointed (it will also save you from over-smiting and RDI (repetitive damnation injury)).
How is God ALL LOVING and ALL FORGIVING then sets up these torture pits ? That one has been bugging me since I was 8. So murder makes it impossible to repent?
Panthera tigris FC said:Well if you ever happen to be a god, here's a free tip. Make your existence a little more obvious to your creations and you might not be quite so disappointed (it will also save you from over-smiting and RDI (repetitive damnation injury)).
Not too worried to be honest, because I will never be a God. There is only one, you know.
ToraToraTora said:
He gives everyone an opportunity to either spend eternity with Him or without Him. You just have to make that choice in this lifetime. If you choose to live without Him then you choose to live without any good thing that He has created.
Quite the opposite. You can repent after murder. David in the Bible did it as an example. I like Phillip Yancey's quote to sum this up -
"There is nothing we can do to make God love us more. There is nothing we can do to make God love us less."
jayfox said:
Circular logic.
Can you justify your absolute belief in the bible without reference to the bible (or just a subjective 'knowing').
Actually my "conversion" to errr...don't much like the term atheism.....REALITY...a few months ago has actually made me a better person. Before I "converted" I was often rude and impatient with the Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons we get banging on our door every few weeks. I live in Yokohama Japan by the way where nearly everyone is damned because the ravings of Francis Xavier were no match for the far more advanced spiritual doctrines of Shinto , Buddism and also Bushido (hell is chock full of Japanese and Chinese you know). I find myself being so polite and deferential when they knock these days. Why is that I wonder? What is it about the acceptance of my true fleeting nature on this rock that makes me MORE TOLERANT of religious ning nongs? Is this something I should address? I guess I have today anyway ! Sorry JF!
You can repent after murder? I know that. You told me a few posts ago MOST murderers who repent don't repent truly (statistics please), therefore any murderer who repents truly doesn't count. Don't tell me you didn't cos that is what you implied.
Gee well at least you can admit when you are wrong....errr...I think.
Thanks guys and gals, had a ball, gotta run, Go Tiiiiiiggggeeessss.
Thanks guys and gals, had a ball, gotta run, Go Tiiiiiiggggeeessss.
A woman is raped and murdered. Her husband, through grief denounces god, goes on a drinking binge, swears, steals and gets run over and killed walking home. This man goes to hell. The rapist/murderer then has the rest of his life to come to grips with the fact that what he did is wrong, find god, repent and go to heaven. Is this right? Is it fair?
evo said:
Sorry, Evo, you got it wrong way round. Both these guys are dead and God is still with us :hihi!
Hi guys.
One small point of Jay's that i need to refute. Jay says God gives everyone the chance to know him, therefore the chance to be saved.
this is clearly nonsense.
For example, and we can all think of stacks:
If I was born of Jewish parents in Hungary in the late 1930s it would have been a fair chance that i would have been gassed in an Nazi death camp.
where was my chance?
One small point of Jay's that i need to refute. Jay says God gives everyone the chance to know him, therefore the chance to be saved.
this is clearly nonsense.
For example, and we can all think of stacks:
If I was born of Jewish parents in Hungary in the late 1930s it would have been a fair chance that i would have been gassed in an Nazi death camp.
where was my chance?
