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Anything could happen this year

the problem is that you have to win 4 times in consecutive weeks, against quality opposition on their home grounds

IF each game was 50/50 chance, the chance of 4 consecutive wins is 16 to 1.
 
Ice said:
the problem is that you have to win 4 times in consecutive weeks, against quality opposition on their home grounds

IF each game was 50/50 chance, the chance of 4 consecutive wins is 16 to 1.


and the Adelaide game showed how hard that is to do - we were cooked after 2 games of high intensity (Freo and Hawks)
 
RemoteTiger said:
Plus Home and Away form becomes irrelevant once the finals start - you watch the hardened teams like Fremantle, Hawthorn and the Swans all go up another rung in intensity at the ball.
Could just as easily find that these three aging teams have hardened a bit too much n might struggle to even find that extra rung required in the heat of finals. All three have been patchy in recent weeks n might just struggle with the young dogs constantly snapping at their heels.
 
TigerMasochist said:
Could just as easily find that these three aging teams have hardened a bit too much n might struggle to even find that extra rung required in the heat of finals. All three have been patchy in recent weeks n might just struggle with the young dogs tigers constantly snapping at their heels.

sorry - minor typo corrected above
 
Ice said:
IF each game was 50/50 chance, the chance of 4 consecutive wins is 16 to 1.

These are the results I did of a final 8 simulation a few years back.

The % Adv column takes account of the position difference on the ladder at the end of H&A eg 2nd vs 6th at 2% would allow a 50+4*2-50-4*2 = 58%-42% advantage probability.

Premiership Probabilities

H&A FinishAll Equal1% Adv2% Adv3% Adv
1st18.75%22.02%25.31%28.57%
2nd18.75%20.65%22.35%23.82%
3rd18.75%19.34%19.63%19.65%
4th18.75%18.09%17.16%16.03%
5th6.25%5.77%5.21%4.61%
6th6.25%5.22%4.25%3.38%
7th6.25%4.70%3.41%2.37%
8th6.25%4.21%2.67%1.57%
 
Good analysis that stacks up over time.

The Freo loss looks like costing us a realistic opportunity at a very deep run into Sept.
 
Leysy Days said:
Good analysis that stacks up over time.

The Freo loss looks like costing us a realistic opportunity at a very deep run into Sept.

The Melbourne loss earlier in the season is the reason we are where we are............
 
RemoteTiger said:
The Melbourne loss earlier in the season is the reason we are where we are............
If we are doing the 'what if" scenario then the Fero game is. 1 kick could have won us the game. Not blaming Houli for the loss but just a scenario.
 
Yep, it's the Freo game that cost us.

We were out of the Dees game in the 3rd quarter. The Freo game we were winning until the last minute.
 
I have always thought, we must be some sort of show - with our best 5-10 players staying fit. I hope. Now the bookies think so too

The cream at the top is highly talented.

The problem is the lesser players in the best 22 for mine.
 
Leysy Days said:
Good analysis that stacks up over time.

The Freo loss looks like costing us a realistic opportunity at a very deep run into Sept.

Every side every year has one or two if-onlys. Whether its to make the 8 the top 4 whatever. Just part of footy. The flipside is we were very lucky to get away with the GWS win.
 
YinnarTiger said:
These are the results I did of a final 8 simulation a few years back.

The % Adv column takes account of the position difference on the ladder at the end of H&A eg 2nd vs 6th at 2% would allow a 50+4*2-50-4*2 = 58%-42% advantage probability.

Premiership Probabilities

H&A FinishAll Equal1% Adv2% Adv3% Adv
1st18.75%22.02%25.31%28.57%
2nd18.75%20.65%22.35%23.82%
3rd18.75%19.34%19.63%19.65%
4th18.75%18.09%17.16%16.03%
5th6.25%5.77%5.21%4.61%
6th6.25%5.22%4.25%3.38%
7th6.25%4.70%3.41%2.37%
8th6.25%4.21%2.67%1.57%

bit of a flaw in this final system - there is a huge difference in probabilities between finishing 4th to 5th
 
Leysy Days said:
Good analysis that stacks up over time.

The Freo loss looks like costing us a realistic opportunity at a very deep run into Sept.

Yep it hurts. We'd be a game off top and sitting pretty.
 
Ice said:
bit of a flaw in this final system - there is a huge difference in probabilities between finishing 4th to 5th

Yep. This is how they compare with the final 8 system we had from 1994-99:

H&A FinishAll Equal1% Adv2% Adv3% Adv
1st18.75%22.80%26.93%31.09%
2nd18.75%21.29%23.50%25.32%
3rd15.63%16.35%16.59%16.36%
4th12.50%12.17%11.54%10.70%
5th12.50%11.32%9.99%8.59%
6th9.38%7.71%6.20%4.88%
7th6.25%4.39%2.93%1.83%
8th6.25%3.96%2.32%1.23%
 
spook said:
If St Kilda beats Sydney this week, we'll win the flag.

that's the sort of talk i've been waiting for. right on spook.
 
This round will be fun

Fri : geelong v Collingwood
Sat : western Bulldogs v North
Richmond essendon
Sun: Crows v Eagles

Then next week

Geelong v adelaide
Richmond v North
 
tigersnake said:
Every side every year has one or two if-onlys.

Umm, no. The top 4 teams at the end of the H & A wont have any if only's.

They'll have won enough games to ensure every chance at a flag.

For the second time in three years we look like coming up 1 game short of that scenario.