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Acceptance - we are now a middling side
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Perhaps. I think you're just wrong about Graham. He's been good. And I think you underestimate the affect of a thrashing on young kids. If we've got the crystal balls out, then we can speculate that our losses could have been much, much worse.
We’ve been forcing teams to kick badly against us for years. Despite teams regularly kicking badly for goal against us the media never ask themselves how can so many teams be inaccurate against the Tigers? They can’t possibly all have an off game against us.
Not too bad this season.
We had the lowest points scored against in 2020, we were 7th in 2021 and 8th in 2022.
I don't agree with this premise. I'm actually really bullish about our prospects moving forward and feel we have all the pieces to the puzzle, just need to put them together.
This slow burn start to the season of deliberate slow tempo footy, playing to a set game plan - I've seen this story before even as late as last season before we released the hounds about rounds 8-9 and then started playing fast footy again.
This slow burn start to the season of deliberate slow tempo footy, playing to a set game plan - I've seen this story before even as late as last season before we released the hounds about rounds 8-9 and then started playing fast footy again.
Premiers over the last decade.Only one side had a Ruckman that fits your bill.Melbourne.
There's a reason why this doesn't look like the Jackson rebuild time when he built the spine and then added the top flankers from down the draft order as you say.
Lets revisit history
2006 - Jack - 13, Edwards, 28
2007 - Cotch - 2, Rance - 18
2008 - No-one but 8 - Vickery - did lead us to Shai
2009 - Martin - 3, Astbury - 35, Grimes - PSD - 2
2010 - Houli - PSD 3
2011 - Ellis - 15
2012 - Vlastuin - 9, McIntosh - 31
The spine of our premiership sides was built in those 7 drafts, but none of those premierships would have been possible without Cotch - 2, Dusty - 3 and even Vlastuin - 9.
Top 10 draft picks win you premierships, the chances of us getting top 3 draft picks at the moment are very minimal. Bear in mind we have had 1 (only 1) top 10 draft pick in 10 years since Vlastuin (yes we probably would have had a 2nd but guess what we traded that for Prestia).
We simply cannot do what you sare saying, "building a spine" is done with those very top draft picks and we can't replicate the same draft strategy without foregoing a 5-10 period of time in the bottom half of the ladder.
This is the way it has historically been done, but we are trying to use trades and free agency to facilitate those high level draft picks without dropping to those bottom 5 places on the ladder. We are continually topping up with the "top flankers sourced from down the draft order" with the only access we have to that seriously high top talent via trading. I said this months ago, we are going through an upside down rebuild to what we did in the past, but we are trying to accelerate it.
Ie. we are adding the bits and pieces around the stars first, and trying to trade for those stars without impacting our ability to continue to add those bits and pieces players to work around them (and hopefully unearth a gem).
I get it, you want us to bottom out and then get access to that top talent but the club is trying to avoid that. Its a different strategy, and only time will tell if it succeeds or not.
Weren’t Taranto and shopper originally top 10 picks? Surely that counts.
Thats kind of my point, we can't get them through the draft so we are trading for those top 10 picks that drive you towards a premiership
Long, long slow process all this bottoming out n picking the premium kids out of the draft and absolutely no guarantee of success. More than likely to end up feeding premium talent into the clubs at the upper end of the ladder.
Carlscum still trying to get into the eight.
#Lolnorf still dragging their raggedy arses along the bitumen.
Mould Coast still the AFL's horror story of inept.
Gee Whizz got close to nearly then disappeared in a rush.
Brisvegas almost nearly, yeah nah not much.
St Kiddenme n Essendrugs enshrined in mid ladder mediocrity at best.
Hawforn managed to pick themselves up to win four flags in eight years then sold their future to try n stay at the top.
Swans have won only two flags the last eighteen years but continually refresh their list and remain in contention.
Aaaarrrgh. Moggies also managed four flags in sixteen years constantly refreshed their list while always remaining in contention.
Richmond have been in finals contention most of the last ten years and snaffled three flags. We appear to be trying to work a similar method to the Moggies and Swans by using the draft, trade and free agency to stay in contention rather than go belly up, strip back and start again. Obviously never any guarantees that any one method will work better than another. But at least staying in the hunt and contending year on year is far less painful than stumbling around in ever decreasing circles year on year and wondering if your club will even survive, or why all your better players keep looking for the exits as soon as possible.
Hawthorn an interesting case in point. They cast aside their leaders (Hodge Mitchell, Lewis)
But then kept others to various levels of success (Roughhead - dropped off the perch, Birchall - held onto during his injury years, Burgoyne, Stratton)
My take is they chose the wrong player type, the amiable team player and not the aggressive dominant champ.
Interesting to consider if thet kept Hodge and Lewis and brought in the young kids
Matthew Lloyd says we may finish 8 if lucky, and no way are we top 4.
Tipped doggies to beat us. On exposed form I don’t understand this.
Carlton were buzz team pre-season, stats and even our critics said we should have won.
Then 9 goals to 1 in adelaide, now that is not easy to do. And Adelaide franked that last week. Pies beat Port at the G. I think Adelaide in Adelaide is a better win.
And then last week was poor. We were smashed early. Injuries were a small part maybe, but that was our worst performance. But make no mistake MacRae and Pies were still hunting us. We floggged them last year.
If we play them again and injury situation is ok we will be much closer.
We are right in this season
Tipped doggies to beat us. On exposed form I don’t understand this.
Carlton were buzz team pre-season, stats and even our critics said we should have won.
Then 9 goals to 1 in adelaide, now that is not easy to do. And Adelaide franked that last week. Pies beat Port at the G. I think Adelaide in Adelaide is a better win.
And then last week was poor. We were smashed early. Injuries were a small part maybe, but that was our worst performance. But make no mistake MacRae and Pies were still hunting us. We floggged them last year.
If we play them again and injury situation is ok we will be much closer.
We are right in this season
Disagree.
People are misunderstanding the premise. We DO have the pieces to contend, but not all of them are currently in the team.
Things won’t magically improve in Round 14. Not this year and not with this selected team.
If we can change the mix to become less one-paced, we can ponder contending again.
The footy meta in 2023 is all about pace. This years Grand Final will look nothing like anything we’ve seen before. Less stoppages, less tackles.
It’ll be about who can fast break cleaner, more efficiently.
S Hocking has seen to it. Coaches have by and large adapted.
Scores might be around the same but transition is through the roof.
We aren’t equipped to beat the best at that right now, but we can be if we are bold in selection.
Our issue is that we don’t have the forwards to kick enough goals. Our smaller forwards have all been moved on or left. Cumbo needs to stay. Shai needs a tidy up. Jack and Tom need nous around them. It turns out that Higgins is one we really need today.
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We were the highest scoring team in the league last year and the only forward we have lost is Castagna. If we want to score we will score. The challenge is getting the balance right between team defence and scoring.
Yep, last year our defence was leaky & our forwards were good. At the moment it's the other way round, a bit of a tweak with the mid/forward set up & away go. The season is still only 3 games old, too early to right off our chances at this stage.
I've always thought that the first 6 rounds of the season throw up a lot of strange results, who'd have thought that the saints would be on top with 3 wins. Certainly not many of my saint supporting mates, (in fact none of them) let's see How the next 6 rounds go.
I will not write us off after only 3 rounds, to do so reeks of panic.
I'll bet the inner sanctum at Tigerland is quite ok with the way we're going. Naturally we'd like to have 3 wins on the board but it's very early days. Like a lot of posters are saying, we're doing our usual slow build up.
I think I'll just ignore this thread from now on.
