Our biggest issue is the younger players coming through. Can almost guarantee the Vlastuins, Grimes, Prestias etc arent running out to every game this year thinking i am absolutely desperate to win this game so i can win a flag. It just aint happening folks. What we are not seeing which is a concern as i said is the younger brigade coming through showing that desparation. Im talking Alex Rance desparation. That could then inspire the older guys to have another crack. Guys like Dow, Ross, Miller, Ryan, Ralphsmith should be manic in their efforts. Desperate to win every contest and every match. Most of them play with a laconic style like they have reached the heights. That is of greater concern and why we may just drop off that cliff we have been dreading
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Acceptance - we are now a middling side
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Yep. And you can't manufacture that intensity. We were blessed for so long.
Sadly Graham and Bolton are in my gotten worse list..its a long ling list isnt it !
Baker and Rioli are the only two who have improved and Marlion consistantly puts in though wasted on the wing .Id have him in the guts as he starred in the 2019 grand final and his never played that positiion since..strange.
And you haven't mentioned the elephant in the room. I don't believe that Dusty's extended petulance and entitlement have been good for team morale. He seems to hold the media grudge to an extent where he has become a multi-million dollar misery guts.
Such an awful way to end what has been a spectacular and awe-inspiring career.
Maybe Dimma should tell him to ditch the green flouros for some Jenkins.
Clarke was calling the shots in 2017 but Jackson still working part time, I'll give the credit to Clarke on this occasion but beyond 2017 we've seen a litany of errors and now have a list looking like a lump of Swiss cheese. Long road ahead, tall forwards needed, classy mids needed, a ruckman needed, leadership needed. No picks this year for the hard stuff. This is what happens when you cut corners.
No picks for this year and no picks for next year. The positive is we should have a chunk of salary cap freeing up.
The neglect of key position players has been really startling, and seem to have a fetish for drafting HBFs when that's possibly the most stacked part of the entire list.
That's just deflecting responsibility, Melbourne lost their captain but they recruited a back-up & stock piled talls for added depth. If you are not planning for all eventualities then you are not planning effectively.
The comment I replied to essentially said we were worse than a middling side. I think without injuries we are at worst a middling side.
Correct and is what I've been harping on about for years now, fix the hard parts first and the rest will naturally fall into place. If in doubt go tall or at least grab a well rounded mid. Instead we've got flankers bloating the list and talls who look well out of their depth. Our forward line seems to be in reverse, we started with a surplus but have since traded Butler, Higgins, Stengle and have lost JC to early retirement. These guys leaving is one thing but hard to justify when the replacements are producing an inferior brand of footy. I think the club is in a horrible pickle at the moment, if the Hopper bill becomes a top 5 pick Richmond will have missed a golden opportunity to put at least one important plank in place. If you don't do the job right from the start you wind up chasing tail and making hasty decisions.
And to those who think this is a Yarran moment, it's worse, those picks were recoverable, losing three premium picks in the middle of a rebuild has the potential to wreck the brand & make free agency a slog fest in an already highly competitive market. It really is a sad end to an era of domination but one which has been played out numerous times with other powerhouse clubs. If you don't respect history you become history, time for some serious introspection, starting with our recruitment philosophy.
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Probably wouldn't get a lot for a 30-year-old Broad, but you might get a second-rounder for Graham (pick 25-30), and top-20 picks for Vlastuin (turning 30 next year) and Short (turning 28 next year). If we're rebuilding that might be the way to go. It'll hurt if it turns out we've traded a top-10 pick for Hopper.
Just reading through some threads after the R23 smashing we copped from Swans in 2016 and noticed this from Rosy
We did know about 2017? It was hinted by Dimma in the post game presser too.
We did know about 2017? It was hinted by Dimma in the post game presser too.
At the moment it seems like we are too old and too young at the same time. We will need to get younger if we don't make the finals or sneak in and are uncompetitive.
However, its too early to give up on the season. See below 5 and 4 after nine rounds in 2017, food for thought.
However, its too early to give up on the season. See below 5 and 4 after nine rounds in 2017, food for thought.
Bit of weird game thought the standard (both sides) was well below that of other games this year and one commentator ,?Richo , intimated at similar
I thought Tarranto & Hopper were very scratchy early but worked their way into it , still not where we want them to be
Prestia , has he been managed so much during the preseason that this fitness & pace are a step behind ? We he improve as the person progresses ?
Saw some nice stuff from Sonsie , but also enough to say he’s not ready to lead a midfield
Is Grimmes half a yard slower this year , not awful by any means , I want him in the side when Gibcus returns
The talent spotters were on the mark with Taylar Young , I’m crossing my fingers he doesn’t do a Dean Polo , great first year then go back wards
Seeing enough from Sampson Ryan , but he’s not there yet
Miller has been in the system for some years now and it show with his reflexes and skills at ground level , can he get some some belief and fire in the belly for the Ariel contests ? Because that’s where we need him to compete. Real shame Biggie got injured because tall defence part time ruck would have been an interesting watch
We desperately need one of our young smalls to progress quickly as a mid to help inject some pace
Do think with either Nank or Soldo playing our guys mindset would have been different
We really didn’t get the running game going this week , like we saw bits from the Bulldogs clash , did see hints of it in the VFL , so fingers crossed it is something that might click in coming weeks
I thought Tarranto & Hopper were very scratchy early but worked their way into it , still not where we want them to be
Prestia , has he been managed so much during the preseason that this fitness & pace are a step behind ? We he improve as the person progresses ?
Saw some nice stuff from Sonsie , but also enough to say he’s not ready to lead a midfield
Is Grimmes half a yard slower this year , not awful by any means , I want him in the side when Gibcus returns
The talent spotters were on the mark with Taylar Young , I’m crossing my fingers he doesn’t do a Dean Polo , great first year then go back wards
Seeing enough from Sampson Ryan , but he’s not there yet
Miller has been in the system for some years now and it show with his reflexes and skills at ground level , can he get some some belief and fire in the belly for the Ariel contests ? Because that’s where we need him to compete. Real shame Biggie got injured because tall defence part time ruck would have been an interesting watch
We desperately need one of our young smalls to progress quickly as a mid to help inject some pace
Do think with either Nank or Soldo playing our guys mindset would have been different
We really didn’t get the running game going this week , like we saw bits from the Bulldogs clash , did see hints of it in the VFL , so fingers crossed it is something that might click in coming weeks
15th and plummeting!
That's not a middling side!
That's a bottom 4 side.
The reasons for this make for a long list. And the individual reasons on that list will each take a long time to remedy.
Particularly if you have a footy department which is struggling with reality.
Reckon the football wilderness beckons the Mighty Tigers and we are sadly going there without a whimper.
That's not a middling side!
That's a bottom 4 side.
The reasons for this make for a long list. And the individual reasons on that list will each take a long time to remedy.
Particularly if you have a footy department which is struggling with reality.
Reckon the football wilderness beckons the Mighty Tigers and we are sadly going there without a whimper.
several issues have been raised on this thread because they all bleed into each other
- older players who can't perform and therefore can't truly lead
- younger players who aren't quite ready and are lacking confidence
- coaches trying to conform to a comp on fire with speed and blistering transition
- list managers compromising their beloved draft picks in the pursuit of 'one more flag'
the list goes on an on.
all affect each other and all go into the *smile* sandwich fans are now being forced to eat.
- older players who can't perform and therefore can't truly lead
- younger players who aren't quite ready and are lacking confidence
- coaches trying to conform to a comp on fire with speed and blistering transition
- list managers compromising their beloved draft picks in the pursuit of 'one more flag'
the list goes on an on.
all affect each other and all go into the *smile* sandwich fans are now being forced to eat.
