911 Truth Movement

[Disco08]

Really? It isn't like any other crash site. For one it was crashed deliberately, for two it is the only Pentagon in the world. It is suspicious that at the home of U.S. military intelligence they were speedy at keeping the site clear from prying eyes? Seems obvious to me.

There's standard procedure at all crash sites and no two are ever the same so that argument is a non-sequiter. The thing with evidence is you never know which bit is going to give you the clues you need to unravel the mystery. That's why it's always left untouched until investigators can examine it and document the scene. Where a bit of fuselage ends up might provide a vital clue, if it's left where it is.

If this was a terrorist attack, why would you need to hide anything from anyone? It's the same as forbidding photos at ground zero. What's the point?

 

[KnightersRevenge]

There's standard procedure at all crash sites and no two are ever the same so that argument is a non-sequiter. The thing with evidence is you never know which bit is going to give you the clues you need to unravel the mystery. That's why it's always left untouched until investigators can examine it and document the scene. Where a bit of fuselage ends up might provide a vital clue, if it's left where it is.

If this was a terrorist attack, why would you need to hide anything from anyone? It's the same as forbidding photos at ground zero. What's the point?

Who is the arbiter here of what was removed when, and what level of investigation was entered in to? Given the hyper-vigilant people we are talking about why do you assume that because the some of the information isn't public it wasn't investigated fully? Wouldn't it make more sense that they investigated the Pentagon attack even more thoroughly but because of perceived national security concerns those investigations are not public? That seems entirely within character to me. We might all like 100% transparency but when you are talking about the U.S. Secret Service I can't imagine a situation in which you'd get it.

 

[Punxsutawney Phil]

Geez 50 pages in 16 days.

Don't you people have work to do?? ;D

 

[tigertim]

Tim Timmerman is on the left ;D

Weird as the crash site looks, there are actually a lot of eye witness accounts of the plane hitting the Pentagon.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1fi97_pentagon-eyewitness-dawn-vignola_news#.UQC6Val8aEA

Pfft, eyewitnesses to an actual event aren't to be believed BUT people talking about things they DIDN'T see or come up with supposition are truth bearers. :.

Just thinking about it, the theorists say there's too many unanswered questions that point to a cover up as if this once only event should have a blueprint to compare to. I just wonder what the theorists would say if everything was "perfect"?

I reckon it would be "it's all just a little too orchestrated and "convenient", only the government has the ability to do this"

 

[KnightersRevenge]

There's standard procedure at all crash sites and no two are ever the same so that argument is a non-sequiter.

Suspicious though because it's completely inconsistent with any other crime scene or airline crash.

So hang on......the scene of every air crash is different and the Pentagon crash is inconsistent because it is different too? Nope, I'm confused. :headscratch

 

[KnightersRevenge]

Pfft, eyewitnesses to an actual event aren't to be believed BUT people talking about things they DIDN'T see or come up with supposition are truth bearers. :.

Just thinking about it, the theorists say there's too many unanswered questions that point to a cover up as if this once only event should have a blueprint to compare to. I just wonder what the theorists would say if everything was "perfect"?

I reckon it would be "it's all just a little too orchestrated and "convenient", only the government has the ability to do this"

Something to ponder....what is point of a question if not to get an answer? If you are given an answer and don't like it does that mean the answer was wrong, or the question? Maybe the "truthers" aren't asking the right questions? We keep giving them answers, so they keep asking different questions. I'm beginning to suspect they don't really want answers at all.

 

[tigertim]

Something to ponder....what is point of a question if not to get an answer? If you are given an answer and don't like it does that mean the answer was wrong, or the question? Maybe the "truthers" aren't asking the right questions? We keep giving them answers, so they keep asking different questions. I'm beginning to suspect they don't really want answers at all.

you, me an Evo have made this observation. As I said before the answers to many of their questions are out there.....but as you say, only if one wishes to get answers! Might be nice if some proof or evidence was produced rather than an ever ending circle of questions.

 

[Disco08]

So hang on......the scene of every air crash is different and the Pentagon crash is inconsistent because it is different too? Nope, I'm confused. :headscratch

Every crash is different. The investigating procedure is always the same. I don't how else to make that any simpler.

 

[tigersnake]

Geez 50 pages in 16 days.

Don't you people have work to do?? ;D

Its pretty impressive. Really chugged along this thread.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

Every crash is different. The investigating procedure is always the same. I don't how else to make that any simpler.

Says who?

 

[billyb#40]

Is there a relevant article on this or can someone post what the questions are please? I couldn't watch a long YouTube clip on my computer.

The question is basic
DO YOU THINK THERE IS ANY QUESTION
Or
IS THIS ALL JUST CRAP
The most basic question is should any discussion of non footy stuff be allowed on this site
This is a waste of an off season
I admire the protagonists for keeping it going so long, so brilliantly, in a Monty Pythonist vein, but I have a closed mind and only want to think about footy and the season ahead. The life of Brian, disguised as 9/11, is a dead parrot.
I almost, almost, pine for the Post thread to revive

 

[Rosy]

The question is basic
DO YOU THINK THERE IS ANY QUESTION
Or
IS THIS ALL JUST CRAP
The most basic question is should any discussion of non footy stuff be allowed on this site
This is a waste of an off season
I admire the protagonists for keeping it going so long, so brilliantly, in a Monty Pythonist vein, but I have a closed mind and only want to think about footy and the season ahead. The life of Brian, disguised as 9/11, is a dead parrot.
I almost, almost, pine for the Post thread to revive

There is no compulsion to read or become involved in any thread that doesn't interest you. The heading clearly identifies what the thread is about and the Race, Religion & Politics name for the Board, along with the description and Enter at Own Risk gives fair warning. Others obviously want to partake in the discussion. Who are you to question if they should be allowed to? :hihi

By the way why did you drop by?

 

[Disco08]

Says who?

Says who?

Common sense.

 

[Chiang Mai Tiger]

By the way why did you drop by?

crack that whip Rosy ;D

 

[Disco08]

To be fair what I am actually doing is questioning your reasoning that it is near impossible simply because you think it is. You haven't provided any reason why you think this I quoted a person who flies planes and trains other people to fly planes for a living.

Someone earlier quoted this website in support of the OR, so I assume it's safe to link to it as a fairly objective look at Hanjour's feats in flying the 757 into the Pentagon. Well worth the read for those with an open mind:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/hanjour.html

 

[Disco08]

Having read that page KR, do you think the experts referenced might have a little more knowledge on the subject than the test pilot you put so much faith in earlier?

 

[Rosy]

Someone earlier quoted this website in support of the OR, so I assume it's safe to link to it as a fairly objective look at Hanjour's feats in flying the 757 into the Pentagon. Well worth the read for those with an open mind:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/hanjour.html

What is the point and how is it objective Disco?

 

[Harry]

experts opinion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70LtPOPzxvs

 

[Disco08]

What is the point and how is it objective Disco?

The basic point is that the manoevres required to fly the route taken by UAL77 were beyond even the most talented and experienced pilots in theory and in testing. It's objective because the people giving their opinion are impartial. It also comes from a site where many of the conspriacy theories regarding 9/11 are disregarded.

Did you read it?

 

[Rosy]

I had a quick look. I still don't get the point. Hani couldn't fly well enough so someone else must have done it? He fluked it? It was remote controlled? There wasn't a plane or pilot involved? He held a gun to the legitimate pilots head?