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911 Truth Movement
- Thread starter Harry
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Why would we need to be doing that Baloo?
It's a critique of the events. It doesn't make adefinitive ssertions as to what actually happened (ironic given the name of the site admittedly).
The main upshot is that it's another severe contradiction of the OR.
rosy23 said:
It's a critique of the events. It doesn't make adefinitive ssertions as to what actually happened (ironic given the name of the site admittedly).
The main upshot is that it's another severe contradiction of the OR.
Why is the extent of the wreckage being queried - things disintegrate on high impact - just look at many high speed car accidents where cars are reduced to bugger all; and obviously the speed the plane was travelling was way in excess of a car.
Baloo said:
Not the point. What eyewitness testimony is being contradicted?
rosy23 said:
The OR states categorically the Hani Hanjour flew the plane on its entire journey from hijacking to the Pentagon. This evidence points out that that is as good as impossible.
Disco08 said:
Does it?
Marcel Bernard is also quoted as saying that there'e no doubt in his mind that once the flight got going Hanjour could have pointed that plane at a building and hit it.
[youtube=560,315]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhDNy5LAo5o[/youtube]
Disco08 said:
Can't really be bothered reading it all when I don't get the point you're trying to make. The cryptic comments don't help. Maybe someone else can explain it to me if you're not willing to.
You said it's impossible yet one of the people used to make the point says there's no doubt in his mind it was possible. :headscratch
The page also says
"The above brings up a question about the Pentagon impact. How could a first time flyer who "could not fly at all" fly faster and more precisely than a NASA research pilot who'd had numerous practice flights at his objective?"
Obviously he wasn't a first time flyer and considering he had a pilots licence it's fair to assume he could fly.
rosy23 said:
That might be relevent if all Hanjour had to do was fly a straight line into the Pentagon.
At a speed of about 500 miles an hour, the plane was headed straight for what is known as P-56, protected air space 56, which covers the White House and the Capitol.
"The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane," says O'Brien. "You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe." [NATCA]
But just as the plane seemed to be on a suicide mission into the White House, the unidentified pilot [Hanjour] executed a pivot so tight that it reminded observers of a fighter jet maneuver. The plane circled 270 degrees to the right to approach the Pentagon from the west, whereupon Flight 77 fell below radar level, vanishing from controllers' screens, the sources said.
Less than an hour after two other jets demolished the World Trade Center in Manhattan, Flight 77 carved a hole in the nation's defense headquarters, a hole five stories high and 200 feet wide.
Aviation sources said the plane was flown with extraordinary skill, making it highly likely that a trained pilot was at the helm, possibly one of the hijackers. Someone even knew how to turn off the transponder, a move that is considerably less than obvious.
"For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible – there is not one chance in a thousand," said [ex-commercial pilot Russ] Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727’s to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737’s through 767’s it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying.
On 27 November 2009 PilotsFor911Truth.org published a simple fact about the flight of Flight 77 which makes a conventional hijacking scenario impossible - according to Flight Data provided by the NTSB the Flight Deck Door was never opened in flight. The status of the door was polled every 5 seconds from 12:18:05 GMT to 13:37:09 GMT, and each poll logged the door as closed (a CSV file of the log can be downloaded here).
The Project for the New American Century, or PNAC, was founded in 1997. The group's Statement of Principles [PDF] published September 2000 stated that "some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor" would advance their policies.
Dov Zakheim is a co-author of the Statement of Principles and an ex-CEO of System Planning Corporation which manufactures equipment to remotely pilot aircraft. Zakheim was appointed as Undersecretary of Defense and Comptroller of the Pentagon by President Bush on May 4, 2001.
