911 Truth Movement

[KnightersRevenge]

lol - 3 pictures of that circular looking thing and that tin with the C on it again.

where's the rest of the plane?

Again the fact that you can't identify the particular internals of an obliterated airliner jet engine doesn't make it not part of an airliner jet engine, your lack of knowledge is not informative. Here are some people who do know: http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml

As I said, I can show you real evidence and you will call it hoax, or fabrication, not because it isn't what it claims to be, but because you have an entrenched position. That is fine but isn't based on reasoning and logic and it isn't based on the evidence.

 

[Harry]

Harry, a better explanation for the lack of plane debris is that it was all cleaned up and removed very quickly. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that. Suspicious though because it's completely inconsistent with any other crime scene or airline crash.

oh, ok - common practice to clear out a crime scene asap then.

 

[Harry]

As I said, I can show you real evidence

All you can show me is what you find on the net. is it real or fabricated ? It's up to the individual to decide.

 

[evo]

how did the hijacker manage, at full speed to neatly slip the plane inside the pentagon without debris flying all over the place ?

see this is a perfect example of why it pointless engaging in good faith with genuine evidential argument with the commited troofer, in my experience

They ask a question such as "where is the rest of the plane?" - documented evidence of many pieces of the plane is shown inside the building- and rather than acknowledge they are mistaken the troofer moves on to the next question.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

Harry, a better explanation for the lack of plane debris is that it was all cleaned up and removed very quickly. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that. Suspicious though because it's completely inconsistent with any other crime scene or airline crash.

Really? It isn't like any other crash site. For one it was crashed deliberately, for two it is the only Pentagon in the world. It is suspicious that at the home of U.S. military intelligence they were speedy at keeping the site clear from prying eyes? Seems obvious to me.

 

[tigertim]

If they believe there was a US Government, multi agency, global media, local authority conspiracy that manufactured the 911 events then yes, definite bozos. Beyond doubt really.

http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/smart-takes/four-reasons-why-people-believe-in-conspiracy-theories/762

http://www.academia.edu/1207098/Dead_and_alive_Beliefs_in_contradictory_conspiracy_theories

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-people-believe-conspiracy-theoies&page=2

http://pseudoscience.wikispaces.com/Conspiracy+theories

Some interesting reading that gives an insight into those that believe in 911, JFk, moon landing, Bin Laden, Princess Diane....well multiple conspiracies.

 

[tigertim]

see this is a perfect example of why it pointless engaging in good faith with genuine evidential argument with the commited troofer, in my experience

They ask a question such as "where is the rest of the plane?" - documented evidence of many pieces of the plane is shown inside the building- and rather than acknowledge they are mistaken the troofer moves on to the next question.

Exactly. Show them proof then they simply discount it and ask another question.

 

[tigertim]

All you can show me is what you find on the net. is it real or fabricated ? It's up to the individual to decide.

And what proof are you finding and from where? Are you conducting your own private investigation sans Internet?

 

[Tigers of Old]

how did the hijacker manage, at full speed to neatly slip the plane inside the pentagon without debris flying all over the place ? The high view photo's of the scene on the day showing no plane wreckage is more convincing imo than these photo's taken a few days later. some experienced pilots have their concerns also.

What I don't get is what happened to the wings? If the cockpit made that neat hole, why didn't the wings break off. Crash zone just looks weird.

 

[Rosy]

Look it up. Christians embrace the term.

Good to see they come in handy sometimes. :hihi

 

[Azza]

What I don't get is what happened to the wings? If the cockpit made that neat hole, why didn't the wings break off. Crash zone just looks weird.

One of Rosy's pics shows a line across the building thought to be due to wing impact, but it doesn't look like the building was penetrated.

There's security camera video released by the govt showing the impact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zac9vt3a4Ug

Something appears at 1:26 prior to the impact, but it doesn't look like a plane, although possibly the leading edge of an engine? One of the comments people who analysed the vid in detail reckons the plane frames have been cut-out.

Pretty impressive piloting skills on show.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

What I don't get is what happened to the wings? If the cockpit made that neat hole, why didn't the wings break off. Crash zone just looks weird.

The wings on a jet airliner are also fuel tanks. What do you imagine would be the result of two aluminium fuel tanks impacting at 800-odd kmh? I would think they would disintegrate.

 

[Harry]

see this is a perfect example of why it pointless engaging in good faith with genuine evidential argument with the commited troofer, in my experience

They ask a question such as "where is the rest of the plane?" - documented evidence of many pieces of the plane is shown inside the building- and rather than acknowledge they are mistaken the troofer moves on to the next question.

if it's pointless dude, ignore my posts.

 

[Harry]

One of Rosy's pics shows a line across the building thought to be due to wing impact, but it doesn't look like the building was penetrated.

There's security camera video released by the govt showing the impact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zac9vt3a4Ug

Something appears at 1:26 prior to the impact, but it doesn't look like a plane, although possibly the leading edge of an engine? One of the comments people who analysed the vid in detail reckons the plane frames have been cut-out.

Pretty impressive piloting skills on show.

how fast was the plane flying?

 

[Azza]

how fast was the plane flying?

No idea Harry. What are you getting at?

 

[Harry]

No idea Harry. What are you getting at?

just asking how fast the plane was flying according to the official report. would take some amazing piloting skills to hit a target smack bang on at full throttle speed.

 

[Azza]

just asking how fast the plane was flying according to the official report. would take some amazing piloting skills to hit a target smack bang on at full throttle speed.

I don't know on the speed in the OR.

I agree on the piloting skills, although it's out of complete ignorance on my part. To come in that low and level at high speed in a big passenger plane seems amazing. Although I guess if the pilot treated it as a landing sequence??

I think there was a very tight turn prior to dropping down and leveling off that showed impressive skills too?

 

[tigersnake]

just asking how fast the plane was flying according to the official report. would take some amazing piloting skills to hit a target smack bang on at full throttle speed.

not as hard as lining up the white line in the middle of a runway, which pilots do routinely.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

just asking how fast the plane was flying according to the official report. would take some amazing piloting skills to hit a target smack bang on at full throttle speed.

Have you watched the BBC's 911 road tour doco?

[youtube=560,315]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVnQPGE36P4[/youtube]

A young girl and conspiracy fantasist is taught in her first ever flying lesson to fly and land a small aircraft......in an afternoon! The hijackers had had many more lessons. Nothing all that surprising, do you have evidence or personal experience that it is a difficult thing to do?

 

[Rosy]

how fast was the plane flying?

530 mph.