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The Calaveras County coroner is having a toxicology report performed on the blood of Marshall and his children to determine if any drugs are present in their blood streams, which is standard procedure in cases like this. Reports from the county sheriff indicate the children were sleeping when shot. The coroner said Macaila Marshall, 14, and Alex Marshall, 17, were lying 6 feet from each other on separate parts of a large U-shaped sectional couch.Disco08 said:
When asked whether it was possible the children were drugged, the coroner said he couldn’t say yet. “That’s a good question,” he said in published reports. “We will be checking tox on everybody. It did appear as though they were sleeping.” The toxicology results and pathologist’s report could be completed within three weeks.
So is the case closed? Or will the police be waiting until they get these reports?
Disco08 said:
I didn't, but when I read the interviews in Veterans Today I did, particularly when he harked back to the JFK assassination, Lee Harvey Oswald's girlfriend and a bunch of other disparate conspiracy theories. When he asserted that Hunter S Thompson was also likely assassinated because he was working on a 9/11 book that pretty much did it for me. I love Hunter S but hey, give him a quart of whiskey, a gun (of which he had many) and combine that with his manic personality and constant pain due to his physical condition and its odds-on he'd top himself any night of the week.
Disco08 said:
Looked impressive enough (although hell, my resume looks pretty impressive as well) until I saw he'd written a book claiming Barack Obama is a CIA plant. In other words, I don't assume anything, I let these blokes condemn themselves with their own words.
So you condemn him on the title of one of his books without so much as reading a word of it. Sounds rational.
So Madsen's written off by association even though he may or may not have any idea who runs Veteran's Today?
That's generally the procedure isn't it? Don't you need sufficient evidence and probable cause to arrest someone? How could they have had that after two days with no toxicology report, no gun residue report, no eyewitnesses, no video footage, no suicide note and no apparent motive? Add to that testimony from friends that these actions seemed utterly out of character and eyewitnesses who report not hearing gunshots even though Marshall's gun had no silencer and you'd expect a much more thorough investigation wouldn't you?
Forget conspiracies - couldn't Marshall and his chidren have been murdered by someone who held a grudge against him? Someone who had a gun with a silencer? Doesn't that seem worth investigating?
antman said:
So Madsen's written off by association even though he may or may not have any idea who runs Veteran's Today?
tigertim said:
That's generally the procedure isn't it? Don't you need sufficient evidence and probable cause to arrest someone? How could they have had that after two days with no toxicology report, no gun residue report, no eyewitnesses, no video footage, no suicide note and no apparent motive? Add to that testimony from friends that these actions seemed utterly out of character and eyewitnesses who report not hearing gunshots even though Marshall's gun had no silencer and you'd expect a much more thorough investigation wouldn't you?
Forget conspiracies - couldn't Marshall and his chidren have been murdered by someone who held a grudge against him? Someone who had a gun with a silencer? Doesn't that seem worth investigating?
I've read the police report issued 2 days after the deaths that stated clearly that "foul play by outside persons" had been ruled out. What more do you need?
Don't treat me like an idiot. As much as you may not believe it I'm fully capable of thinking for myself.
Don't treat me like an idiot. As much as you may not believe it I'm fully capable of thinking for myself.
Disco08 said:
Well if you are then do you admit he could have committed murder and suicide?
And you read the report and know the depth of the investigation? That report 2 days after said the investigation was ongoing.
Coroner came to the same conclusion too; http://www.calaverasenterprise.com/news/article_7a125160-6ff5-11e2-9b3b-001a4bcf887a.html
Disco08 said:
Nope. These are the things Madsen said. In the transcript of interview. From the link that you posted. :hihi
As for the book, I haven't read it, and don't intend to. The Amazon.com blurb states that "the real problem with the Obama presidency is not his birth certificate, but his "past and likely current Indonesian citizenship"". :hihi
Geez, no wonder Obama had him wacked, that's a game changer right there. Couldn't let it get out that Obama can skip the foreign nationals line when going to Bali for a holiday with Michelle and the kids.
Ah sorry ant. Misread that and thought you were dissing VT, not Madsen. What was it about the references to JFK and LHO that made you question Madsen's credibility? Don't think he made any assertions about Hunter either. He only seemed to be saying somethings seemed irregular but stopped short of saying what you said he asserted.
So do you think Madsen's making the stuff about Marshall's neighbours up?
Of course. Do you admit the possibility they were all murdered by someone else?
From reading that report I can see clearly the conclusions they drew seemingly without sufficient evidence. The investigation may have been on going but they'd already ruled out all other possibilities. Why?
So do you think Madsen's making the stuff about Marshall's neighbours up?
tigertim said:
Of course. Do you admit the possibility they were all murdered by someone else?
From reading that report I can see clearly the conclusions they drew seemingly without sufficient evidence. The investigation may have been on going but they'd already ruled out all other possibilities. Why?
http://www.calaverasenterprise.com/news/article_71f9b8da-6e27-11e2-99e8-001a4bcf887a.html
This article explains things further.
And to answer your question, yes, it may have been possible but I trust the police and the coroner came to the right conclusion.
Turns out one neighbour did hear something. Always pays to investigate fully I spose
And another which proposes possible/probable motive and background.
http://www.uniondemocrat.com/News/Local-News/More-murder-suicide-details
This article explains things further.
And to answer your question, yes, it may have been possible but I trust the police and the coroner came to the right conclusion.
Turns out one neighbour did hear something. Always pays to investigate fully I spose
And another which proposes possible/probable motive and background.
http://www.uniondemocrat.com/News/Local-News/More-murder-suicide-details
tigertim said:http://www.calaverasenterprise.com/news/article_71f9b8da-6e27-11e2-99e8-001a4bcf887a.html
This article explains things further.
And to answer your question, yes, it may have been possible but I trust the police and the coroner came to the right conclusion.
Turns out one neighbour did hear something. Always pays to investigate fully I spose
And another which proposes possible/probable motive and background.
http://www.uniondemocrat.com/News/Local-News/More-murder-suicide-details
The bit that says one neighbour "heard something" but none of their neighbours heard gunshots? What does that help prove? The assertion that neighbours would be unlikely to hear an unsilenced glock in the middle of the night is patently ridiculous. Have you ever heard a handgun fired in the middle of the night? Wasn't the door next to the children's bodies found to be left open? There's also conflicting opinion about the proximity of the houses to eachother. Surely that should be easy enough to verify.
The second report says nothing at all about Marshall's motive. He had one criminal incident in his history but no charges were laid and from all other reports was a dedicated and loving father. He also had custody of his children which is completely anomalous where these type of murder/suicides are concerned.
Friends and neighbors who knew Marshall had trouble believing he would have taken the life of his children. He was known as a good father, well-liked Little League coach, former pilot for Eastern and United Airlines and an easygoing guy with a good sense of humor.
What evidence do the police have that ruled out all but murder/suicide? Why aren't they disclosing that information?
So a neighbour does hear something but you say "what does that prove" good lord. Do police always release the reasons why they ruled in/out there conclusions? I don't know, is that standard practice? Or do they have to do it to please the theorists?Disco08 said:
And neighbours say he was a good guy do he can't possibly be capable of murder/suicide? Good lord. Well case closed your honour, the man is innocent. People said Ted Bundy was a good guy too. In fact most people guilty of murder have someone who speaks well of them and claim they "never thought he was capable".
It's strange you fight vehemently based on neighbours comments but seem to discount the opinions of te coroner and the police. What an odd mindset.
tigertim said:
Yeah tim. You presented that articles as though someone had heard gunshots after all. What with the condescending little remar about always paying to investigate fully. Turns out he "heard something" but not enough to investigate or call the police. Certainly not four gunshots. So again - what does that prove?
Although Phillip Marshall is dead I'm sure it still needs to be proven that he's the murderer of his children. Where's the evidence police have that proves his guilt before crucial reports are even examined?
People who murder their own children before committing suicide invariably have motive, are insane or are under immense psychological stress. Where's the evidence this was the case with Marshall? You may scoff at the testimony of his friends and neighbours but this is almost always revealing in murder cases - especially ones of such emotional magnitude as this. I've read hundreds - if not thousands - of true crime homicide books and honestly don't remember one where someone so active in the community gave away no clues as to what was coming.
What "opinion" of the coroner am I questioning?
For all your Good Lords (LOL) you're being as typically dismissive of any evidence that contradicts the official report as you always are. What is it about authority that makes you impervious to the obvious?
evo said:
Always loved Trent. Everyone up here was talking like him a few years ago.
Disco08 said:
The irony is delicious Disco. In other posts you've made you trumpet how people hearing "explosions" is somehow proof that wtc 7 was detonated for explosion, yet here someone hears sometihng and it proves nothing.
I don't have access to the police files to know all the details to know what information they compiled to come to the conclusion that he was guilty. And neither do you, you have some scant details from the internet. But from that you deduce that the police have been negligent?
And to describe what you've posted as "evidence that contradicts the official report" is yet another example of your delusions. What "evidence"? Neighbours saying he wasnt the type to kill? No motive? How do you know there wasn't a motive? If you've read so many crime boooks you'll know there's so much more to these cases than just the scant details released. And why do police have to release these detials? To suit you? Maybe his impending divorce was a factor? Maybe his seperation? There were domestic violence issues before. But most of all he was a truther and we all know their mental health isn't too stable!
The opinion of the coroner is that it was a murder suicide, you seem to be saying otherwise.
Anyway, enough from me. I suppose if you're so worried that an innocent man has been found to have murdered his kids then you probably should contact Calveras county pd and alert them with your "evidence".
Disco08 said:
No probs... but I can diss VT if you want!
Just having a quick look through it, some good stuff about the experiences and health issues of the vets and the human costs of the war mostly for power elites and money. But of course it gets intertwined with anti Israel propaganda, 911, the Illuminati and so on and so forth.
Anything is possible. But a guy murdering his own family (and dog) with his own gun is unfortunately much more common in the US than being murdered by (a) a complete stranger or (b) black ops hit squads. Given the family history, and allusions to possible mental illness, this becomes even more likely. As for the local cops covering up for the Feds, don't believe it for one second based on the info I've seen.
Disco08 said:
I don't know what procedures they performed on the crime scene, and in terms of the autopsies. I just can't tell from here. Can you?
Disco08 said:
Again Disco with the extreme language. In this case 'patently ridiculous". Its not patently ridiculous, not at all. How far apart were the houses? How many trees were around them? How were the houses furnished? (a lot of soft furnishings can muffle a lot) How big were the trees? Which way was the wind blowing?
Some new high-tech guns are amazing quiet. I've heard plenty of witnesses on TV say things like 'it just made a little pop, i was surprised'. I've had a bit to do with guns, used 'em as a teenager a lot, on the farm as well more recently. They are surprising. I was shooting the 22 once and a neighbour didn't hear a thing, he was pretty close, due to the quiet gun and the wind direction. At other times he could hear our conversations, depending on wind, traffic on the road, a tree that was removed.
'Patently ridiculous' it ain't. The fact you think it is, again, really underlines your pre-disposition or bias toward a sinister conspiracy. I can understand it can sound surprising based on guns on TV, but its not surprising at all to me based on my own experience using and hearing guns being fired.
